[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Nadia is suggesting something else went on from Alex but won't tell what it is.

What a nasty woman she is, as she said, you can't keep it false all the time and she couldn't.

And this is the woman who would have us believe is open and honest!! Bollocks. Alexander didn't say much, but he didn't miss much either and he sussed Nadia and Perez out, which is why Perez wanted rid of him.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by JTM45

No you can't. It's called self restraint and Alexander clearly didn't have any if he felt he needed to resort to violence. Disgusting attitude!!!!

How can you not laugh when you say that. Talk about lack of restraint....we are talking about Perez here aren't we?

[sodak22]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

And this is the woman who would have us believe is open and honest!! Bollocks. Alexander didn't say much, but he didn't miss much either and he sussed Nadia and Perez out, which is why Perez wanted rid of him.

Exactly. Perez has been playing from the start. Ken and especially Alex had not a clue to the charade, they acted on impulse and fed into his BS first. What I cannot figure is if Nadia knew this all along and only wants to leave with her check or not....

[johne]

Originally Posted by sodak22

You are very correct in what you say. The only thing that really stands out to me is this: Michelle Visage is a champion of gay rights, and she took the "homophobe's" side. I did not know who she was until this series (and I live in the US and I'm a straight male), but that speaks volumes for me. It makes me wonder what really went on.... I do not think she is just a shill for Katie H as this happened pretty early in the series. Alex acted wrong, Ken acted wrong, the baywatch guy may have acted wrong (no visual evidence).... but the common denominator is Perez. He pushes buttons better than anyone, which is exactly how he became famous in the US in the first place. His act is old here and I imagine abroad as well....

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

[Tip]

Originally Posted by sodak22

You are very correct in what you say. The only thing that really stands out to me is this: Michelle Visage is a champion of gay rights, and she took the "homophobe's" side. I did not know who she was until this series (and I live in the US and I'm a straight male), but that speaks volumes for me. It makes me wonder what really went on.... I do not think she is just a shill for Katie H as this happened pretty early in the series. Alex acted wrong, Ken acted wrong, the baywatch guy may have acted wrong (no visual evidence).... but the common denominator is Perez. He pushes buttons better than anyone, which is exactly how he became famous in the US in the first place. His act is old here and I imagine abroad as well....

I can't comment on Michelle and the "homophobe" comment, what she does and why, whether he is a homophobe or not didn't feature in how I saw the Alex's departure and the need for people to "blame". I'm not interested in the "side" taking, just the need to blame.

If Perez is so well known for pushing buttons and his act is old, then I guess Alex had a good idea of what he might be letting himself in for but he still couldn't actually cope.

If there was a challenge to not let someone push your buttons to the point that you get physically aggressive - then I guess Alex wouldn't have met that one. I probably couldn't live with Perez either, but as Katie H says, man up accept that the challenge was bigger than you could cope with. Take responsibility.

[sodak22]

Originally Posted by johne

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

Ken using the N word was completely not ok in the slightest, but I could understand it from about a 70+ year old... I could also definitely see why Alex reacted the way he did when Ken said it to him. You do not say that and Alex told him it would "get his ass beat" where he was from. Understandably, as a white male growing up not far from where Alex did, it makes perfect sense. But if anyone sent ken into a rage it was Perez, not Alex or anyone else. "irrelevant American" was spot on by Ken I may not recall correctly, but I believe Perez was very near the Chloe situation before the accusation part. He loves to be the center of attention, but you are correct the situation did not have much to do with Perez. The common theme was that Perez didn't feel "safe" with Jeremy, Ken, or Alex... which is what the remaining housemates picked up on...

[sodak22]

Originally Posted by Tip

I can't comment on Michelle and the "homophobe" comment, what she does and why, whether he is a homophobe or not didn't feature in how I saw the Alex's departure and the need for people to "blame". I'm not interested in the "side" taking, just the need to blame.

If Perez is so well known for pushing buttons and his act is old, then I guess Alex had a good idea of what he might be letting himself in for but he still couldn't actually cope.

If there was a challenge to not let someone push your buttons to the point that you get physically aggressive - then I guess Alex wouldn't have met that one. I probably couldn't live with Perez either, but as Katie H says, man up accept that the challenge was bigger than you could cope with. Take responsibility.

Perez is well known by people under 30 in the US. Alex wouldn't have a clue who he was especially since Alex's star had faded long, long ago. But you are correct, Alex couldn't hack it which is why he left. I honestly believe he would have hit Perez after a couple more days. He couldn't take the taunting or disrespect even if it was just a game. He didn't get it, but Perez sure did.

And Katie H is right

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by Mick McMick

Perez forced Big Brother's hand with Alex (and Jeremy to an extent)
by using the magic phrase, "I don't feel safe."

When that phrased is used repeatedly, Big Brother is left with no choice but
to remove someone who is making others feel uncomfortable.

There was more to it than Perez saying he didn't feel safe. Alexander had issues that have never been disclosed. His departure was very swift and BB might have had a good reason to do this.

I have my suspicions but like Nadia, prefer to remain tight lipped on it.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I actually didn't mind Alexander, but I do agree with a lot of this, if Perez just being near him causes that reaction then he deserved to go imo.

Alexander had no problem being near Perez before Perez started baiting him.

[Angelika]

Originally Posted by sodak22

He didn't get it, but Perez sure did.

Alexander didn't get Perez, the reason he left.

It's a generation gap Alexander couldn't reach over. Its possible he felt he couldn't stay in the house a minute longer.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by johne

Sure Perez goaded Alex which it seems likely resulted in Alex leaving, but Ken and Jeremy, come off it. Unless it was Perez in disguise in the bathroom with Cloe, or Perez somehow forced Ken to use the "n" word twice.

Perez told Big Brother that he felt unsafe in the house with Jeremy around.

Big Brother had no choice but to take him seriously.