[lostalex]

did my physical matter exist before i was born? yes.

did my consciousness exist before i was born? no.

frankly I'm not even sure my consciousness existed before puberty.

and if i get dementia before i die, I'm not sure my consciousness will exist even before I die.

If you lose your consciousness before you die, what are you really? the same nothingness that you were before you were born i guess.

Most of the people i've met in this life were mindless animals.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by lostalex

did my physical matter exist before i was born? yes.

did my consciousness exist before i was born? no.

frankly I'm not even sure my consciousness existed before puberty.

and if i get dementia before i die, I'm not sure my consciousness will exist even before I die.

If you lose your consciousness before you die, what are you really? the same nothingness that you were before you were born i guess.

Most of the people i've met in this life were mindless animals.

There's actually a lot of truth in there Alex.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Most of the people i've met in this life were mindless animals.

That's America for you honey.

[Kizzy]

It's funny how the concept of angels and demons and little green men from mars is accepted, yet this is a concept far too extreme to comprehend.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's funny how the concept of angels and demons and little green men from mars is accepted, yet this is a concept far too extreme to comprehend.

Look to those who accept that and then find your answer

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's funny how the concept of angels and demons and little green men from mars is accepted, yet this is a concept far too extreme to comprehend.

Sit down Kizzy. Take a deep breath. I actually AGREE with you.

[lostalex]

since when is the concept of angels and demons and little green men accepted? did i miss the memo? did the BBC make an announcement that i'm not aware of?

[Kizzy]

Ever heard of Catholicism Alex? it's a quaint little Christian faith that believes demons drag you to hell when you die if you don't perform on earth correctly and repent regularly.

It is also pretty well established that the possibility of alien life inhabits a portion of if not our galaxy then another.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ever heard of Catholicism Alex? it's a quaint little Christian faith that believes demons drag you to hell when you die if you don't perform on earth correctly and repent regularly.

It is also pretty well established that the possibility of alien life inhabits a portion of if not our galaxy then another.

I've heard of it, raised in it, forced to go to RE classes twice a week as a child.... but i don't know anyone that took it seriously...

and as far as alien life existing, what science class did you go to? i've never seen any evenidence that it is "well established" at all...especially not in any science classroom. did your science teachers really say that the existence of intelligent life visiting earth is normal and accepted?

i think you are internetting too much, in the real world these things are not taken seriously at all.

[Jessica.]

Just the fact that angels, demons and little green men were compared to this by a "believer" proves my point exactly.

I don't believe in angels or demons. I do believe it's possible to have life on other planets. If there's life on this one, the conditions to support life on another planet is quite likely, there's probably micro organisms at least.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Just the fact that angels, demons and little green men were compared to this by a "believer" proves my point exactly.

I don't believe in angels or demons. I do believe it's possible to have life on other planets. If there's life on this one, the conditions to support life on another planet is quite likely, there's probably micro organisms at least.

Why is your belief in little green men any more valid than mine in reincarnation Jessica?
If you've expanded your mind enough to accept that concept then it wouldn't be much of a stretch to accommodate another uncorroborated theory.

[AnnieK]

Having just lost someone very close to me, I hope we go on in some shape or form. My mum was terrified of the prospect of the end being just that, the end. Unfortunately, it is one thing that can never be proven I guess.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Having just lost someone very close to me, I hope we go on in some shape or form. My mum was terrified of the prospect of the end being just that, the end. Unfortunately, it is one thing that can never be proven I guess.

I felt like that when I lost my aunt a few years ago. Now that it's hit me properly I'm just happy that she can at least live on in my memories for the rest of my life.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Having just lost someone very close to me, I hope we go on in some shape or form. My mum was terrified of the prospect of the end being just that, the end. Unfortunately, it is one thing that can never be proven I guess.

I don't believe they ever really leave us, Annie. And if anyone's thinking of trying to change my mind on that, well... you've got no chance.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Having just lost someone very close to me, I hope we go on in some shape or form. My mum was terrified of the prospect of the end being just that, the end. Unfortunately, it is one thing that can never be proven I guess.

there are countless things that can never be proven like Unicorns and Leprechauns. However we can be as certain as we can be that life ends as it starts with oblivion.

There is no difference pulling up a weed or cutting down a tree.

Its not very sentimental but thats our lot.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there are countless things that can never be proven like Unicorns and Leprechauns. However we can be as certain as we can be that life ends as it starts with oblivion.

There is no difference pulling up a weed or cutting down a tree.

Its not very sentimental but thats our lot.

..that's not something that we could ever be certain of though because we would have had to have experienced death ourselves... bodies die for sure but a body is only a part of what a person in living is, it's not 'who' they are...if someone loses a close loved one, what they lose is being able to physically have that loved one with them...but everything else the person was is still there with them/that's not something that can ever be 'lost' through death....

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there are countless things that can never be proven like Unicorns and Leprechauns. However we can be as certain as we can be that life ends as it starts with oblivion.

There is no difference pulling up a weed or cutting down a tree.

Its not very sentimental but thats our lot.

Trumpet, that's your opinion. You don't have all the answers, no one does, so be a little sensitive to people who have lost someone, please.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Trumpet, that's your opinion. You don't have all the answers, no one does, so be a little sensitive to people who have lost someone, please.

We have all lost people and facing reality is a great healing process.

The human desire to survive is incredibly strong and one offshoot of that is to invent situations where we do not abruptly cease to exist.



But I take you point and apologise

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

We have all lost people and facing reality is a great healing process.

The human desire to survive is incredibly strong and one offshoot of that is to invent situations where we do not abruptly cease to exist.



But I take you point and apologise

..I think that everybody and like yourself who has lost someone they loved hasn't felt reality with that loss..it is very abrupt, very harsh and very real and no one needs to believe in anything to shield them from that, it's something they live every day..but the only thing that is realistic, that makes any sense or logic at all is to acknowledge....I don't know, how could I possible know..that something after death in some spiritual form is possible...you may not think it probable but it's possible and to think it isn't is the unrealistic thing...

[Kizzy]

The pope and the millions of practicing Catholics across the globe might?

And the best scientific minds in NASA are open to the possibility of alien life...

http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-li...212655192.html

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The pope and the millions of practicing Catholics across the globe might?

And the best scientific minds in NASA are open to the possibility of alien life...

http://news.yahoo.com/signs-alien-li...212655192.html

you are contradicting yourself kizzy, you've now reduced your statement to "might" which is very different to what you've said before.

and "open to the possibility" is just a silly thing to say.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

you are contradicting yourself kizzy, you've now reduced your statement to "might" which is very different to what you've said before.

and "open to the possibility" is just a silly thing to say.

I most certainly have not...

The pope certainly does in my opinion very much believe in angels and demons so much so he's dedicated his whole life to Catholic teaching.

'Open to the possibility' is all anyone can be if there is nothing tangible.
If NASA scientist are not ruling the possibility out then they for me are more qualified in their opinion at this point.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I most certainly have not...

The pope certainly does in my opinion very much believe in angels and demons so much so he's dedicated his whole life to Catholic teaching.

'Open to the possibility' is all anyone can be if there is nothing tangible.
If NASA scientist are not ruling the possibility out then they for me are more qualified in their opinion at this point.

so you've chosen an extreme example (of course the pop has to say out loud he believes those things!) and then saying Nasa believes it's a possibility! it's also a possibility that minotaurs exist in a parallel universe, so what?

that's very different then you saying before that most people accept that angels and demons and little green men are real.

you are really stretching it kizzy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

so you've chosen an extreme example (of course the pop has to say out loud he believes those things!) and then saying Nasa believes it's a possibility! it's also a possibility that minotaurs exist in a parallel universe, so what?

that's very different then you saying before that most people accept that angels and demons and little green men are real.

you are really stretching it kizzy.

Nope, the millions of Catholics are willing to believe in them if not yourself.

And as for alien life if you ask around not that many are surprised if it's generally accepted that there is alien life, you may not think so but ask around ... it's not a stretch, there's threads on here where it's discussed at length even.

[lostalex]

i think the vast majority of people should hope for oblivion after death, because most people deserve very harsh punishments for all of their lives, and deceptions, and cruelty they perpetrated in this world.

if there is a hell, i would guess that at least 99% of people go there based upon their actions in this life.

but i don't think there is one.