[Vicky.]

I dont understand why dementia is an issue, when they can try and find guilty a dead person, who is even less likely to be right in the head to stand trial?

[Kizzy]

He can be tried when he's dead because the dead can't lie ...but the living can tell the truth.

[joeysteele]

Someone deceased cannot have a trial in court.

There can be an inquiry and some outlet there but in law,it has to be that an accused can understand the proceedings of a trial,also take part.
They can refuse to take part but in the case of dementia, it is even that decision that would be questioned as they are not able to think and plan and therefore are deemed unable to comply.

Once that is confirmed by expert medical advice and full examination carried out,as this has been done by 4 Doctors not just one in this case,then the only conclusion would be as to a magistrates or crown court trial, that no matter the possible charges, a fair trial,which goes to the very heart of UK law, cannot be served.

It is possible civil action can be done but there again,there will be no punishment or real relevant sentence possible.

An inquiry, which is being sought in tis case, would however allow the victims their day as to revealing their grievances and account of events at least.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Someone deceased cannot have a trial in court.

There can be an inquiry and some outlet there but in law,it has to be that an accused can understand the proceedings of a trial,also take part.
They can refuse to take part but in the case of dementia, it is even that decision that would be questioned as they are not able to think and plan and therefore are deemed unable to comply.

Once that is confirmed by expert medical advice and full examination carried out,as this has been done by 4 Doctors not just one in this case,then the only conclusion would be as to a magistrates or crown court trial, that no matter the possible charges, a fair trial,which goes to the very heart of UK law, cannot be served.

It is possible civil action can be done but there again,there will be no punishment or real relevant sentence possible.

An inquiry, which is being sought in tis case, would however allow the victims their day as to revealing their grievances and account of events at least.

I thought Saville was found guilty though...thats what all the rags said

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I thought Saville was found guilty though...thats what all the rags said

Saville hasn't been tried in court.
There are inquiries and there is a further one as to how he had his free access to victims in the NHS too.

Such inquiries can presume guilt but obviously cannot punish Saville.
There are claims made as to the victims against the estate of Saville, and maybe there will be claims against this guy after inquieires in the future too.

He may well be guilty but if his dementia really is at the advanced stage as is reported, then no trial or sentencing can be carried out.

[Kizzy]

He was fit enough to express he wanted to remain a peer and be director of a company until 2 weeks ago.. the progression of his dementia it's all a little too convenient .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He was fit enough to express he wanted to remain a peer and be director of a company until 2 weeks ago.. the progression of his dementia it's all a little too convenient .

If that is the case, and that he himself dictated that rather than an appointed power of attorney then that does seem odd.

A power of attorney would have the authority to sanction those sort of decisions,as they would over his financial matters.

If he himself actually 'legally' made those decisions himself without a power of attorney then that would shed a different light on things.
It would surprise me that in view of the independent Doctors appointed at the intructions of the CPS, and the investigation that had gone on as to him,that if that was evident, then the ensuing medical reports would have been constructed around that.

None of those decisions, being a Peer or even a Director, requires involvement or attendance either really of said person.
Both can be just a name on paper.

I do wholly agree it sounds odd, if it is the case that only he himself actually made such decisions, rather than someone else appointed by law to carry out his affairs, which is the usual scenario in the case of dementia.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He was fit enough to express he wanted to remain a peer and be director of a company until 2 weeks ago.. the progression of his dementia it's all a little too convenient .

Yes Very True,

[Kizzy]

The decision not to prosecute Greville Janner for historical child sex offences is to be overturned, according to reports.

A barrister who has spent several weeks examining the evidence as part of an independent review has concluded there should be a hearing of the allegations, the Daily Mail has claimed.

The decision is expected to be released next week and would overturn the Crown Prosecution Service’s decision in April not to pursue Lord Janner.

Such a move would pave the way for evidence to be tested in a criminal court in a “trial of facts”, and will put Alison Saunders, the director of public prosecutions, under pressure to resign.

Simon Danczuk, the MP for Rochdale who has campaigned for a trial of facts, told the Guardian that if the report is accurate, Saunders will now have to consider her position.


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-be-overturned

[arista]

Yes Confirmed now going to Court

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Confirmed now going to Court

From all my studying of law, this will astound me if the trial does not collapse even if it gets into a courtroom.

If the medical evidence is as strong as was stated,then his state of mind will be even worse now than even just months ago.
A lengthy trial will be likely the case if it goes ahead and I just fail to see how it could be conducted.

Unless there are real flaws found in the 4 medical assessments,then all I can see is a costly trial for the taxpayer and courtroom time being wasted.
If he is 'really' as ill as was stated,this will collapse likely very soon after going ahead.

[arista]

But Joey
the point is the Victims
will tell their story in court,
even if he is not prosecuted.

Thats all these Men - who were just children ,at that time,
want.

[arista]

He was due appear in court
today


but did not

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

He was due appear in court
today


but did not

tsk tsk...

[arista]

Infact
I have predicted that wrong.
He is still to attend next Friday

Janner Ordered To Attend Sex Abuse Hearing

The former Leicester West MP Lord Janner is told he must appear in court as it decides what sort of trial, if any, he should face.

http://news.sky.com/story/1531973/ja...-abuse-hearing


Two Doctors will be there will be there watching him


Update :Ch4HD News it can also be done in his home with a Judge

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Infact
I have predicted that wrong.
He is still to attend next Friday

Janner Ordered To Attend Sex Abuse Hearing

The former Leicester West MP Lord Janner is told he must appear in court as it decides what sort of trial, if any, he should face.

http://news.sky.com/story/1531973/ja...-abuse-hearing


Two Doctors will be there will be there watching him

These are what would normally be the start of a really likely long process as to going to an actual trial.

I can fully understand why the Judge wants to see him in person.

It will still greatly astound me, if he is as far advanced as to Dementia as the original medical reports stated,if this ever really goes on to trial stage.
With Dementia and Alzheimers,time is really important, he is only likely going to get far worse as the months and maybe even a year goes by,that is,if in fact he even reaches a full trial date.

[arista]

Today He Goes To Court

[Mystic Mock]

As Joey's already said, how far will this trial really go with him having Dementia?

[Kizzy]

He may not be there but the facts will be regardless...

[Kizzy]

'Greville Janner has arrived at court in person to face child abuse allegations after his lawyers failed in a final attempt to prevent him being forced to attend.

The former Labour peer arrived at Westminster magistrates court in central London on Friday afternoon in a silver car – hours after he was initially due to appear.

Lord Janner’s barrister, Paul Ozin, had told deputy chief magistrate Emma Arbuthnot that Janner should be allowed to appear via a live videolink from his home due to the severity of his Alzheimer’s.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-abuse-charges