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user104658 · 17-10-2019, 02:08 PM

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Is it better than The Flash? I gave up on that

I personally would say no... It's my least fav of the DC shows on CW.

user104658 · 17-10-2019, 03:36 PM

Be aware that S1 arrow is quite different to the entire rest of the DCTV universe. They went for a grittier "Nolan Batman" style take on things but really his murderous rampage is not justifiable hero-stuff

. Though to be fair, I think they do a good job in-story later of explaining his psychology when he started out as a vigilante (and also why he later commits to a "only when there's no choice" philosophy over a "lol arrow for YOU arrow for YOU arrow for YOU too!" attitude)

user104658 · 18-10-2019, 04:40 PM

Forgot to mention that the CW's version of Crisis on Infinite Earths is this year and I'm so here for it

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Apparently, Brandon Routh (Ray Palmer/Atom in Legends) will ALSO be playing his version of Superman (from Superman Returns) and I've also heard Tom Welling is making an appearance

. So including the Superman from Supergirl, there will potentially be a 3-superman team up.

It's also just awesome to have Smallville be a canon alternate reality in the CW DC.

Oliver_W · 18-10-2019, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Forgot to mention that the CW's version of Crisis on Infinite Earths is this year and I'm so here for it

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Apparently, Brandon Routh (Ray Palmer/Atom in Legends) will ALSO be playing his version of Superman (from Superman Returns) and I've also heard Tom Welling is making an appearance

. So including the Superman from Supergirl, there will potentially be a 3-superman team up.

It's also just awesome to have Smallville be a canon alternate reality in the CW DC.

That's pretty cool

It also shows I have some catching up to do - I didn't even realise Atom was in any of the adaptions

There was a cool bit in a zombie storyline where he became super small (obvs) and entered a bloodstream to study the virus

user104658 · 18-10-2019, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's pretty cool

It also shows I have some catching up to do - I didn't even realise Atom was in any of the adaptions

There was a cool bit in a zombie storyline where he became super small (obvs) and entered a bloodstream to study the virus

He's been around for quite a while, maybe longer than Flash I think? He was introduced in Arrow and then moved over to Legends. I'm pretty sure there are some drole Superman jokes scattered around in Legends already

. Interesting to have them fully acknowledge Routh's Superman as someone who literally exists.

Oliver_W · 20-10-2019, 08:25 PM

I'm really enjoying Arrow so far!
but

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user104658 · 20-10-2019, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm really enjoying Arrow so far!
but

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Is he? I obviously don't remember the first few seasons very well

Oliver_W · 20-10-2019, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Is he? I obviously don't remember the first few seasons very well

oop, not anymore

user104658 · 22-10-2019, 12:02 PM

NGL to you Oliver, you should be prepared for a tonal shift in Arrow mid-S3

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Oliver_W · 22-10-2019, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

NGL to you Oliver, you should be prepared for a tonal shift in Arrow mid-S3

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Heh, I won't be too bothered by the change, my "current" Arrow is probably the most serious thing I current watch regularly

Plus as a fan of DC comics, I had an idea things would move in that direction based on some of the episode titles.

user104658 · 30-10-2019, 11:22 AM

In terms of the whole "Crisis" storyline...

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Nicky91 · 30-10-2019, 11:28 AM

those crossovers are annoying

btw as for latest supergirl ep

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user104658 · 30-10-2019, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91

those crossovers are annoying

They're some of the best episodes of each show. Benefits of a combined budget, I suppose.

Oliver_W · 30-10-2019, 11:55 AM

Could Arrow continue but with Speedy? Where I am now Olly has recruited the guy I know from the comics becomes Speedy, so I'm guessing he will down the line?
Though Speedy is a silly name and sounds Flash-adjacent, so he'll probably go straight to being Arsenal.

I like that Canary was in a clock tower, when she's a member of Birds of Prey in the comics they're based in a clock tower <3

user104658 · 30-10-2019, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Could Arrow continue but with Speedy? Where I am now Olly has recruited the guy I know from the comics becomes Speedy, so I'm guessing he will down the line?
Though Speedy is a silly name and sounds Flash-adjacent, so he'll probably go straight to being Arsenal.

I like that Canary was in a clock tower, when she's a member of Birds of Prey in the comics they're based in a clock tower <3

It's been confirmed to be ending, though because of the show being a "universe" that obviously doesn't necessarily mean "the end" as characters can always show up in other shows, as either recurring guests or regulars (and have already, e.g. most of the original Legends line-up came from Arrow and Flash, and there has been a fair amount of villain crossover too).

Minor spoiler you are correct that Roy goes straight to Arsenal

. However... another minor one...

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Slightly bigger spoiler

[spoiler]They have also been flash-forwarding to a whole new Team Arrow 20 years in the future for this season and the previous one, with the descendants of some of the main cast (and a few aged-up series regulars thrown in). If they were to do another Arrow spin-off, I could see it being a backdoor pilot... but I'm not sure they'll want more than 4 DC shows running concurrently, there's only 5 right now because Arrow is getting a half-season (to end with Crisis, clearly).

I have also just found out from checking air dates that the Crisis storyline is actually 5-part not 3-part

. It's 3 part across Flash, Supergirl and Batwoman in December, then another two-parter with the Legends season premier and Arrow in January. Then it looks like there are two more "untitled" Arrow episodes wrapping up.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2019, 01:05 PM

CW are working on two more shows, a spinoff for Arrow called 'Green Arrow and the Canaries' and a Superman and Lois series.

Oliver_W · 30-10-2019, 01:11 PM

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CW are working on two more shows, a spinoff for Arrow called 'Green Arrow and the Canaries' and a Superman and Lois series.

I heard about the Superman and Lois show, looking forward to that

I wonder if they're gonna have Jon.
I hadn't heard about the other one though! I wish there'd be a Birds of Prey show, especially if it was like Gail Simone's version. I've seen Canary and Huntress, but has there been a Babs anywhere in the Arrowverse?

user104658 · 30-10-2019, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I heard about the Superman and Lois show, looking forward to that

I wonder if they're gonna have Jon.
I hadn't heard about the other one though! I wish there'd be a Birds of Prey show, especially if it was like Gail Simone's version. I've seen Canary and Huntress, but has there been a Babs anywhere in the Arrowverse?

There have been multiple Canaries

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But anything Gotham/Batman related was "off limits" until very recently for licensing reasons I believe. When that expired they had a throwaway line in Arrow where I think Oliver scoffed about "the guy in the bat suit in Gotham", establishing Batman as existing, and now obviously there is a full Gotham in Arrowverse and they've made a point of repeatedly mentioning Gotham in passing having never mentioned it before

.

But up until the 2018 season, Batman stuff including most side characters and villains have been off limits, other than vague references. Superman was also until Supergirl moved over to CW, which is why Supergirl stuff all happens on "Earth-S" not "Earth-1" - they don't meet until Barry figures out using the speedforce to hop between realities. Though I strongly suspect Earth-S and Earth 1 might merge in Crisis

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[edit]Earth-S, not Earth-X. Earth-X was the one that was full of nazis

Oliver_W · 30-10-2019, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Minor spoiler you are correct that Roy goes straight to Arsenal

. However... another minor one...

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OHHH of course! He sometimes calls her that as a nickname, but it didn't click because comics Speedy is Roy

Olly's girl sidekick is usually Red Arrow.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There have been multiple Canaries

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But anything Gotham/Batman related was "off limits" until very recently for licensing reasons I believe. When that expired they had a throwaway line in Arrow where I think Oliver scoffed about "the guy in the bat suit in Gotham", establishing Batman as existing, and now obviously there is a full Gotham in Arrowverse and they've made a point of repeatedly mentioning Gotham in passing having never mentioned it before

.

But up until the 2018 season, Batman stuff including most side characters and villains have been off limits, other than vague references. Superman was also until Supergirl moved over to CW, which is why Supergirl stuff all happens on "Earth-S" not "Earth-1" - they don't meet until Barry figures out using the speedforce to hop between realities. Though I strongly suspect Earth-S and Earth 1 might merge in Crisis

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[edit]Earth-S, not Earth-X. Earth-X was the one that was full of nazis

I find it interesting how they "mix and match" with the Canaries, as the "main" comics Black Canary is Dinah Lance

[Quote]she's Olly's long term girlfriend, and becomes a Green Lantern! [/SPOILER]

user104658 · 30-10-2019, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

OHHH of course! He sometimes calls her that as a nickname, but it didn't click because comics Speedy is Roy

Olly's girl sidekick is usually Red Arrow.

I find it interesting how they "mix and match" with the Canaries, as the "main" comics Black Canary is Dinah Lance

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There is a Dinah Lance in Arrow... Sarah and Laurel's late mother, who had nothing to do with the canaries or any form of crime fighting (other than being married to a cop

). They do like to make it complicated.

Also I'm pretty sure neither Sarah nor Laurel have even mentioned in passing that Dinah Drake has the same name as their mum

. You'd think it would warrant a "Oh, that was my mothers name" or something.

.... ....... ... ... save Marthaaaaa... etc.

Tom4784 · 30-10-2019, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I heard about the Superman and Lois show, looking forward to that

I wonder if they're gonna have Jon.
I hadn't heard about the other one though! I wish there'd be a Birds of Prey show, especially if it was like Gail Simone's version. I've seen Canary and Huntress, but has there been a Babs anywhere in the Arrowverse?

It sounds like they will, they've said that the show will be focused more on Superman and Lois' home life so I imagine they've taken a lot of inspiration from the rebirth comics in which Clark and Lois are balancing family life with superhero antics.

I don't think they'd do a Birds of Prey show since the film is coming out, they couldn't use Suicide Squad anymore when the first film came out so I'm guessing the Birds are off the table.