[sampvt]

There is nothing wrong with BB. The big problem is with the constant interference from the prods. Pick the HM's, stick them in, give them grief with well thought out tasks and let them develop the storylines themselves. The numbers will come back as long as people know they are not being used as idiots to support an ever failing experiment.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by sampvt

There is nothing wrong with BB.

Well, there is. The one thing they've had constant complaints about for 4 years and which many felt was the heart and soul of the show.

The big problem is with the constant interference from the prods. Pick the HM's, stick them in, give them grief with well thought out tasks and let them develop the storylines themselves. The numbers will come back as long as people know they are not being used as idiots to support an ever failing experiment.

Everything has to be more immediate today. Learning what happened 24 hours after it took place is, these days, too long. In a world of social media and 24/7 twitter activity the live feed would have slotted in perfectly. But no, they take a fast moving show that was exciting and they slow it down to a laborious slodge.

[*mazedsalv**]

To those who said CH4 listened to the fans, that's bull.

Did they? Nope. Remember the biggest nail in the coffin. A quad eviction to evict vote. They meddled with noms/twists too. They put Nikki back in and didn't care about the backlash. They did their fair share of wrong doings too.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

To those who said CH4 listened to the fans, that's bull.

Agreed. Though they did listen in regards to bringing back the live feed in some form for BB11

Did they? Nope. Remember the biggest nail in the coffin. A quad eviction to evict vote.

That really did seem like a final up yours to the viewers imo. Phil Edgar Jones, the producer, was posting on Digital Spy during that series but stopped because he became so infuriated with the constant complaints.

They meddled with noms/twists too. They put Nikki back in and didn't care about the backlash. They did their fair share of wrong doings too.

I trace the beginning of the decline a bit further back. The house next door was totally unnecessary during that series, which was doing extremely well with the characters they had until that twist. Jayne being punished by putting everyone but her up, ensuring Nikki would be evicted (people forget all of this in regards to Nikki) and them losing their most talked about HM that year. The ratings declined, they stupidly did what they had done previously with Jon Tickle only this time allowed that person the chance to win. And then the real killer, their completely inept response to Jade Goody and her familly and cronies during the following CBB. It went from bad to worse after that when they decided it would be a good idea to start BB8 with no men, and not put all of them in until week 3, by which point people had already given up. BB never recovered on Channel 4, and the hope was that Channel 5 would allow it to. They got people's hopes up with the talk of the return of the red button live service and then failed to deliver and have continued to do so ever since.

It's been a shockingly badly produced show since Big Brother 7 with a couple of exceptions (Celebrity series and maybe BB9 and BB14), truth be known. And the ratings reflect that.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by *mazedsalv**

To those who said CH4 listened to the fans, that's bull.

Did they? Nope. Remember the biggest nail in the coffin. A quad eviction to evict vote. They meddled with noms/twists too. They put Nikki back in and didn't care about the backlash. They did their fair share of wrong doings too.

This.

What about them getting rid of live feed, in CBB6/BB10?

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by BB6

This.

What about them getting rid of live feed, in CBB6/BB10?

There was still more live coverage during those years than we get with Channel 5. And at least they did listen to the fans and bring it back for BB11 in some form.

[aman201]

It's so disappointing though.

BB13 and BB14 were so good.

[Rhyl Cream]

It is dreck hence low ratings.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Rhyl Cream

It is dreck hence low ratings.

So why you watching it?

[Rhyl Cream]

Originally Posted by adamski94

So why you watching it?

I haven't watched it since launch night.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Rhyl Cream

I haven't watched it since launch night.

Well with all due respect why are you commenting on it when you have seen non of it it just doesnt make sense imo

[Rhyl Cream]

Originally Posted by adamski94

Well with all due respect why are you commenting on it when you have seen non of it it just doesnt make sense imo

Surely it speaks volumes that not only are the ratings pancaking but fans are switching off in droves too?

[sampvt]

Ratings are massaged and bear no resemblance to the real issues. BB has a target audience and they are drifting away, that's a fact.

[Jarrod]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Ratings are massaged and bear no resemblance to the real issues. BB has a target audience and they are drifting away, that's a fact.

Not really, when you fail to see the share is higher.

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Jarrod

Not really, when you fail to see the share is higher.

The Audience share doesnt matter a jot when it comes to advertising revenue that the show lives or dies by. Raw numbers are what decides how much an advertising slot is worth.

[crazycolaist]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Ratings are massaged and bear no resemblance to the real issues. BB has a target audience and they are drifting away, that's a fact.

Also people's TV habits are changing & I dont think the future has much time for reality tv.

[mrmattybeck1]

The crisis seems to be fully there still

[Pete.]

Channel 5 are dishing out the promo ads every ad break lmao

[Rhyl Cream]

"He's dead Jim".

[jaxie]

I don't get why some bang on about live feed so obsessively. What are they going to do watch it 24/7? Nothing better to do with their time?

[crazycolaist]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't get why some bang on about live feed so obsessively. What are they going to do watch it 24/7? Nothing better to do with their time?

It's not that. Its more about credibility about the whole program & situations. I mean imagine if we saw Gina vs Sallie, Or that woman beater & hazel the slapped unedited if we had 24/7 livefeed? Would go all over youtube & voice would spread more

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't get why some bang on about live feed so obsessively. What are they going to do watch it 24/7? Nothing better to do with their time?

It was perfect for some of us night owls and others used to have it on like they would the radio throughout the day, with lots of people discussing it on forums. The idea is the viewers feel closer to the housemates as a result and care more about them. The more they care the more they talk about it, vote on it and continue to watch it. Channel 5 have built up a brick wall between the viewers and the show.

The live feed was also perfect for this new age of 24/7 social networking we live in. Everything needs to be faster paced/more immediate. That's what you got with the live coverage. Now you don't know what's going on until 24 hrs later (the face to face nominations for example)

[aman201]

It was good as a school kid during the school holidays, where I'd be up late and could usually catch Victor and Jason up late chatting, or Maxwell and Anthony.

But now as a grown adult, I wouldn't care for live at all.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by aman201

It was good as a school kid during the school holidays, where I'd be up late and could usually catch Victor and Jason up late chatting, or Maxwell and Anthony.

But now as a grown adult, I wouldn't care for live at all.

One only need look at the people on Digital Spy to know it is mostly older people who would watch it throughout the day and at night. But many young people would put it on as well

[Blog Rider]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

One only need look at the people on Digital Spy to know it is mostly older people who would watch it throughout the day and at night. But many young people would put it on as well

That is the thing, I would put it on between the stuff I do normally. Sometimes even don't have time to watch the nightly highlight show but that won't matter if there was feed