[Kizzy]

Who will this benefit in or out?...

'The government has ruled out extending the right to vote in the upcoming EU referendum to all British citizens living abroad, despite a promise made by the Conservative party chairman that it would.

The EU referendum bill, which will be announced after the Queen’s speech on Wednesday, will make clear that the franchise – the people eligible to vote – will be the same as in general elections, which is adults from the age of 18, Irish and Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK, and British citizens who have lived abroad for less than 15 years.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...itizens-abroad

[arista]

[he is PM of the whole 4 nations of the UK]

Of Course he is PM of the whole of UK

but in Political terms SNP run Scotland
just one MP each of the 3 other parties

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who will this benefit in or out?...

'The government has ruled out extending the right to vote in the upcoming EU referendum to all British citizens living abroad, despite a promise made by the Conservative party chairman that it would.

The EU referendum bill, which will be announced after the Queen’s speech on Wednesday, will make clear that the franchise – the people eligible to vote – will be the same as in general elections, which is adults from the age of 18, Irish and Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK, and British citizens who have lived abroad for less than 15 years.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...itizens-abroad

Kizzy, he has a long way to go on this yet, wait until it comes to parliament for its readings, he will likely wish he had never promised one.

A lot at stake here,it's not like in Harold Wilson's,Labour referendum on the common market.
No matter the result then, there were no Scottish or Welsh assemblies and no threat to the UK as a whole.

With this one however, there could be a massive constitutional crisis if it is a 'no' vote from only one Country of the UK or even moreso just the far South of that Country too.
There are also going to be Conservative MPs fighting for and others against staying in, as there will be from Labour too, although far less wanting out from Labour.

He can have no certainties as to this and the outcome of it either,it is also going to consume politics and his govt. for at least the next 2 years.
If he decides to also hold the referendum earlier than 2017, and gets a vote to leave the EU, again he will be massively criticised for not allowing the EU nations,the promised time to consider his re-negotiations.

As I said, I would hate to be him before this referendum, during it and especially after it.
No wonder his heroine,Margaret Thatcher, wouldn't even ever consider one on any issue.

[bots]

Its going to be interesting. The SNP are pro europe, same with the Welsh. The only party not pro europe are UKIP and we know that they are capable of getting at least 4 million votes.

It will have to be a free vote however (ie parties not whipped) so we will get for and against in every party which equals divides within parties for the next 2 years. If parties are divided on one issue it will spill out into others too. It could easily be a parliament where literally nothing gets done until the referendum is out the way.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

[he is PM of the whole 4 nations of the UK]

Of Course he is PM of the whole of UK

but in Political terms SNP run Scotland
just one MP each of the 3 other parties

They couldn't hold the independence referendum until the UK govt. passed same.
They govern Scotland on a wide range of policy,they don't rule it, that is still done by the UK govt. even if the SNP had all 59 seats in Scotland.

The Scots and the SNP for instance cannot word the EU referendum for themselves, that will,or should be,agreed by consensus sought from the UK govt.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They couldn't hold the independence referendum until the UK govt. passed same.
They govern Scotland on a wide range of policy,they don't rule it, that is still done by the UK govt. even if the SNP had all 59 seats in Scotland.

The Scots and the SNP for instance cannot word the EU referendum for themselves, that will,or should be,agreed by consensus sought from the UK govt.

JOEY

SNP have confirmed not this term


Yes they are under UK Control

But Politically its SNP


My mate the PM David
is busy working hard
the SNP start off later this week
should be fun in Westminster

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its going to be interesting. The SNP are pro europe, same with the Welsh. The only party not pro europe are UKIP and we know that they are capable of getting at least 4 million votes.

It will have to be a free vote however (ie parties not whipped) so we will get for and against in every party which equals divides within parties for the next 2 years. If parties are divided on one issue it will spill out into others too. It could easily be a parliament where literally nothing gets done until the referendum is out the way.

I think you are right as to how much time this is going to take up as to govt' business.
It isn't likely to be a free vote however as it is govt. policy.
Although now, it would make no difference with Labour supporting a referendum even if he decided to do it that way.

However once it is passed in parliament, then the for and against camps of MPs from both main parties can join forces and campaign freely.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I think you are right as to how much time this is going to take up as to govt' business.
It isn't likely to be a free vote however as it is govt. policy.
Although now, it would make no difference with Labour supporting a referendum even if he decided to do it that way.

However once it is passed in parliament, then the for and against camps of MPs from both main parties can join forces and campaign freely.

Yes, i was meaning in terms of the referendum vote itself, everyone will have to back that a referendum will take place. I just think its going to be very divisive across the whole political spectrum. Its quite uncharted territory really with both sides having such strong views. We know what it did to the conservatives before, when the gloves are off, I can't see it being any different this time.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

JOEY

SNP have confirmed not this term


Yes they are under UK Control

But Politically its SNP


My mate the PM David
is busy working hard
the SNP start off later this week
should be fun in Westminster

Nicola Sturgeon has been very careful to say there is no will for another referendum on independence during this parliament.
However she always qualifies that, with if there was a major change then that could trigger the need for another.

She outlined in the debates, that if there is no lock on the EU referendum that at least 3 and preferably all Nations of the UK have to vote to leave the EU, then were the result be to leave and Scotland had voted to stay in, that would be such a trigger for a new referendum as independence.

She is always careful to add that.
I still have the feeling she will ask in the Scottish elections next year,in the SNP manifesto, for the 'option' to seek another referendum if circumstances bring about major constitutional change.
Which is exactly what the UK,EU referendum,would do in the event of a vote to leave the EU,which Scotland is strongly opposed to doing.

I think you are allowing yourself to be blinded by Nicola Sturgeon as to how devious she can really be.
She is a formidable opponent and master of manipulation in getting what she wants.
David Cameron,I doubt, will ever be able to get one over on her.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Yes, i was meaning in terms of the referendum vote itself, everyone will have to back that a referendum will take place. I just think its going to be very divisive across the whole political spectrum. Its quite uncharted territory really with both sides having such strong views. We know what it did to the conservatives before, when the gloves are off, I can't see it being any different this time.

Absolutely, especially even moreso if the result looks like being a close one by the voters too.
If he thought coalition govt. was hard, he hasn't likely seen nothing yet.

[the truth]

delighted democracy has finally overcome the evil scum of new labour and given the people the democratic choice. now lets get into the detail

[empire]

labour are a pro eu, pro cheap labour party, they hate the working class, like the torys, they live in posh houses, in london, they shot racist if someone says that they would not live next door to romanians, but they would change there tune very quickly, if they moved next door to their posh area,

[the truth]

lord falconer just blamed the snp for labours defeat....what a twat