[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Some lovely and intellectual input there

Stick to the topic please

[Pete.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Okay now you can close the thread.

Yep!

[Lampfan]

Nah

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Okay now you can close the thread.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by spot_on

Please post a link to the scene. As I remembered, Brian started that one too, then after he started it chose to remain silent.

Any ways, whether he did start that particular fight or not is irrelevant. The fact is that they both had a history together, both fought with each other, and both hold their own against each other. That fact that now, after all these fights, all of a sudden now Brian is being "bullied" is utterly ridiculous and does a disservice to all those in school who are really bullied.

Helen definitely crossed the line with her comments about Brian looking like a rapist. But guess what, things like that get said in the heat of the moment. Brian has called her a disgusting human being and other bad things time and time again, but nobody said anything.

I was actually going to ask someone else to post it, it's not something I ever want to watch again because I found it so uncomfortable and saddening. But it'd be great if someone else could clip the one I'm talking about for me.

They did hold their own against each other in every other fight and even in other parts of that argument, you are right indeed, and I didn't have a problem with any other part of the argument (yes, even the comments, as disgusting as they were) and was actually finding their feuds entertaining because they were a level playing field, but that one particular scene was not level because he sat there in silence and she continued to goad, mock and antagonise him deliberately by her own admission which is bullying, whether in real life or on a TV show.

I need to make this distinction. Every other instance of their arguments Brian was not being bullied because he gave as good as he got, but in that one particular instance that I've outlined, he was bullied. Again, if you continue to abuse someone who isn't retaliating and don't know when to stop, as Helen at that moment didn't, you are being a bully.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Quasar

I've also yet to see anyone who can defend that moment without saying 'Brian did this'

And thats is different from defending brians behavior by saying helen made him do it because? maybe if brian hadn't been loud and aggressive and repeatedly called her a scumbag she wouldn't have

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Lampfan

Who's defending her?

Show me a post defending her.

There's like 4 pages to take your pick from.

[Glenn.]

3 pages

[Liam-]

Close every thread that doesn't suit or pander to the majority's opinions

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

And thats is different from defending brians behavior by saying helen made him do it because? maybe if brian hadn't been loud and aggressive and repeatedly called her a scumbag she wouldn't have

Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.

They where having an argument..he put in his 2 pence say they tag teamed him...saying they where dementers...she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry..again..he didn't manage it..and this poor lost soul you want to say was broken and on the verge of tears was back on his feet shouting angrily and repeatedly calling her as scumbag..i have no problem with her pressing her case in an argument he started

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Still not a valid reason to why Helen goaded Brian when he sat there in silence.

Helen was doing a task and answered the question about Nikki.the maniac was sat staring at her, nostrils flaring ,foaming at the mouth then he butted in,Helen made him look a total twat, and he bottled it and went over the wall ,with his bowels trailing behind him .......remember we ALL watched the show

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

It's not bullying when someone keeps starting arguments with you and you finally stand up for yourself. Helen held back as long as she could knowing that she would destroy Brian if she lost her cool.

Yes her words were extreme and if she could go back I'm sure she would have chosen them more carefully. However he is aggressive as we saw in that argument and he is a pervert which we saw on day one when the so called legends entered the bunker. One of the first this he said to Helen was your boobs look good, I would call highly inappropriate but the rest of the world decides to give Brian pass for being unashamedly pervy. Helen could have complained or left the house and made a big fuss about being made to feel uncomfortable but she laughed it off.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

They where having an argument..he put in his 2 pence say they tag teamed him...saying they where dementers...she replys..he shout up..not on the verge of tears..but trying to keep from exploding in angry..again..he didn't manage it..and this poor lost soul you want to say was broken and on the verge of tears was back on his feet shouting angrily and repeatedly calling her as scumbag..i have no problem with her pressing her case in an argument he started

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Helen was doing a task and answered the question about Nikki.the maniac was sat staring at her, nostrils flaring ,foaming at the mouth then he butted in,Helen made him look a total twat, and he bottled it and went over the wall ,with his bowels trailing behind him .......remember we ALL watched the show

Both of you again failed to address the instant Jack and I have stated. Try again.

[Lampfan]

Originally Posted by Quasar

There's like 4 pages to take your pick from.

You're reading diffirent things to me then.

Criticizing Brian is defending Helen, how?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by JamesBond

It's not bullying when someone keeps starting arguments with you and you finally stand up for yourself. Helen held back as long as she could knowing that she would destroy Brian if she lost her cool.

Yes her words were extreme and if she could go back I'm sure she would have chosen them more carefully. However he is aggressive as we saw in that argument and he is a pervert which we saw on day one when the so called legends entered the bunker. One of the first this he said to Helen was your boobs look good, I would call highly inappropriate but the rest of the world decides to give Brian pass for being unashamedly pervy. Helen could have complained or left the house and made a big fuss about being made to feel uncomfortable but she laughed it off.

..Belo should have been removed the week before when Helen told BB he scared her, but they left her to sort him out herself, and she did

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Lampfan

You're reading diffirent things to me then.

Criticizing Brian is defending Helen, how?

How is it anything but defending Helen?

[spot_on]

I'm sorry, but when you continuously pick fights with somebody you lose the right to claim you were "bullied". He's not some innocent fat kid in school who the popular kids pick on. Brian is not innocent, he can defend himself, and he was constantly an instigator. Hence in no way, shape, or form was he bullied.

[Glenn.]

Yes he was

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Quasar

How is it anything but defending Helen?

It IS possible to believe Brian acted like a bellend throughout his stay, whilst feeling bad for him having Helen say what she eventually said...

Disliking one persons behavior doesn't mean you have to defend the other involved persons behavior too

[Liam-]

This thread is giving me a headache

[JamesBond]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

..Belo should have been removed the week before when Helen told BB he scared her, but they left her to sort him out herself, and she did

She was def worried about him, he's a creepy one I'll tell ya.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I have proved more than enough with my posts over the last 18 hours which some people are choosing to conveniently ignore. Not one person is yet to defend and justify the scene which I have highlighted and tell me how it isn't bullying, all they've done is said 'well Brian acted like this on this day, and this later', ignoring the fact that there were separate parts to that final argument. Therefore what I'm saying is factual, and therefore the thread is as good as over. Of course people are going to continue posting, have you never seen it been said on a forum before?

For the record, I am rarely wrong, and I most certainly am not here.

it isn't bullying to press your advantage in an argument..

it not that no one hasn't explained it or justified it..it just that you don't except what they say...

can you prove you aren't wrong? that sounds like the kinda thing helen would say

[spot_on]

Originally Posted by Quasar

Yes he was

awwwe, poor brian "it wasn't me who nominated you" bello the victim. So defenseless, so weak, so unable to defend himself, We should all pity this poor child.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by spot_on

I'm sorry, but when you continuously pick fights with somebody you lose the right to claim you were "bullied". He's not some innocent fat kid in school who the popular kids pick on. Brian is not innocent, he can defend himself, and he was constantly an instigator. Hence in no way, shape, or form was he bullied.

And Helen is a woman,who maybe weighs 8 stone wet through,he's maybe used to women backing down to him ,but he met his match ,and what sent him over the edge was when she cornered him by asking him what he would do to her if the cameras wasn't there, THATS what pissed him off,because he KNEW what would happen