[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then have it balanced don't just deny her the right to speak.

The issue is on transgender specifically male to female, I happen to agree with her when she suggests it is rather a patriarchal to give 'woman of the year' to someone that up until 4 months ago was a man.

I've just seen this post, and I do agree there, the whole fuss around Caitlyn Jenner has been OTT, and tbh, I wouldn't give a "_____ of the year" award to anyone who caused someone elses death through dangerous driving. Definately an undeserved award. In fact I can see why this lead to Germaine saying what she did, even if I find it ignorant.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then have it balanced don't just deny her the right to speak.

The issue is on transgender specifically male to female, I happen to agree with her when she suggests it is rather a patriarchal to give 'woman of the year' to someone that up until 4 months ago was a man.

Just because her gender change became official this year doesn't mean she was a man prior to her op. Transgender is about self-identity and not about sex reassignment.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Just because her gender change became official this year doesn't mean she was a man prior to her op. Transgender is about self-identity and not about sex reassignment.

When you ask someone to speak from their specific field of expertise you may have some predetermined expectations, if I wanted to arrange a lecture on creationism I wouldn't invite Richard Dawkins to speak.
It's I would say a similar principle here.

[Scarlett.]

Germaine Greer is such a Harry Potter name, you can just picture her as some crazy old witch cackling away in a shack surrounded by cats.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

Germaine Greer is such a Harry Potter name, you can just picture her as some crazy old witch cackling away in a shack surrounded by cats.

Is this the gamers opinion?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is this the gamers opinion?

No, it's my opinion on a bitter old woman who likes to make big statements to the press about vunerable members of society, just so she can stay important.

[Kizzy]

Interesting to see the names being leveled here to this woman for her opinion, twat, witch, tit, tard.

She has the right to speak about it, nobody gives a toss about 'vulnerable members of society' they just like to be seen to be falling in with whatever is currently de rigueur.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Interesting to see the names being leveled here to this woman for her opinion, twat, witch, tit, tard.

She has the right to speak about it, nobody gives a toss about 'vulnerable members of society' they just like to be seen to be falling in with whatever is currently de rigueur.

She has a right to speak about it, and we have every right to call her names, who cares if it's childish, at least she never has to see our name calling, it's never headline news.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

She has a right to speak about it, and we have every right to call her names, who cares if it's childish, at least she never has to see our name calling, it's never headline news.

Well yes we have freedom of speech....don't we?

[Marsh.]

It's not as if she's a random abusive bitch throwing transphobic language at them. She put her viewpoint across tactfully IMO. Nothing wrong with it.

Like she said, for a born-male who wanted to be known as female she would still use female pronouns for them as a courtesy and respect for their wishes. But that doesn't mean she can't have the opinion that they aren't really women.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not as if she's a random abusive bitch throwing transphobic language at them. She put her viewpoint across tactfully IMO. Nothing wrong with it.

Like she said, for a born-male who wanted to be known as female she would still use female pronouns for them as a courtesy and respect for their wishes. But that doesn't mean she can't have the opinion that they aren't really women.

I'm pretty sure trans people are already aware of this, all it really achives is rubbing salt in the wound, it's like going up to a bereaved person and saying "By the way, you're never going to see your parents again, did you know that?" It's something they know. Trans people already have to put up with so much ****, does Germaine really think she's contributing anything by telling the world her opinion? What does she gain from it?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I'm pretty sure trans people are already aware of this, all it really achives is rubbing salt in the wound, it's like going up to a bereaved person and saying "By the way, you're never going to see your parents again, did you know that?" It's something they know. Trans people already have to put up with so much ****, does Germaine really think she's contributing anything by telling the world her opinion? What does she gain from it?

Well, it's hardly like she's purposely rubbing it in or anything.

The topic came up and she gave her opinion, as public figures tend to do in interviews/books. Then, as is common in this day and age, weeks and probably months of outrage and countless articles are being made of it and how offensive she and her opinion is.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, it's hardly like she's purposely rubbing it in or anything.

The topic came up and she gave her opinion, as public figures tend to do in interviews/books. Then, as is common in this day and age, weeks and probably months of outrage and countless articles are being made of it and how offensive she and her opinion is.

I suppose you are right there, it's probably more down to the newspapers covering it that it gets spread around, perhaps I was too harsh in calling her a witch, but I do get tired of these celebrities on their soapboxes, saying ignorant crap, its not right seeing certain members of society hounded again and again by stuff like this. But I suppose freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I suppose you are right there, it's probably more down to the newspapers covering it that it gets spread around, perhaps I was too harsh in calling her a witch, but I do get tired of these celebrities on their soapboxes, saying ignorant crap, its not right seeing certain members of society hounded again and again by stuff like this. But I suppose freedom of speech is freedom of speech.

To be fair she's not really a 'celebrity' and whatever she may be ignorant on the subject of equality she isn't.
She is asked to give her opinion on these issues which is why she offers it, if that is rejected then it's not her problem.

[Kizzy]

She was due to speak at an event but because her view wasn't that which is considered the correct response, she was rejected.

[Marsh.]

Yeah, that's who I'd blame. The controversy mongers that call themselves journalists.

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, that's who I'd blame. The controversy mongers that call themselves journalists.

Yeah, I'd imagine the reactions to it are exactly what they expected them to be, and they'll probably try and make it an even bigger thing if people react enough.

[the truth]

she called all fathers perverts on question time on mainstream tv and no one said a word about it because it was male hate so that's fine

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

she called all fathers perverts on question time on mainstream tv and no one said a word about it because it was male hate so that's fine

"All fathers"? Do you have a link to this?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"All fathers"? Do you have a link to this?

yes I posted it on the previous page if youd bothered to look....but you aren't being sincere are you?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes I posted it on the previous page if youd bothered to look....but you aren't being sincere are you?

Uh, what?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by the truth

she called all fathers perverts on question time on mainstream tv and no one said a word about it because it was male hate so that's fine

I remember seeing that when it was on.She has a very warped view of men.A very bitter woman.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I remember seeing that when it was on.She has a very warped view of men.A very bitter woman.

the most vile bigoted sexist poison ive ever heard on the bbc and most other channels.

[Marsh.]

Just watched the video and at no point does she say "all father's are perverts".

She seems to be putting two things together in that video and coming to some bizarre conclusions that I can't begin to even agree with but nowhere does she suggest anything about any fathers being perverts, let alone all of them.

[the truth]

uh what? what an ignorant response

Heres some more of your hero germaine greer the man hater spouting her perverted male hating poison


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjVDYPAuRh0