[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

I take it you have no value for the tens of thousands of people who die on weekends because not enough doctors will work and those that do want double pay over time

as for your accusations I don't care about public sector workers, what a damned lie. that wage you quote above is a good wage for trainees. they will be on 6 figures after than for the rest of their career and many do private as well. so you can put your violin down. The public sector workers who I do have sympathy for are not doctors but firemen and some in the social services. but of course you label everyone a bigot if they don't agree with your tory hatred 24 hours a day

Wow, what an over the top rhetoric!

Wasn't it you that said, "take some risks that make you accountable and join the private sector" ? those words sound like the sort of thing a died in the wool privatization campaigner would say and the sort of utterance that's bound to get a response. Sorry if that hurts your ego mate but I think statements like that should be questioned.

A lie? I made a suggestion based on the things you've been saying but because I added a question mark, its not a statement is it?.

The reason people are dying is because we don't have enough GP's working in A&E. There are plenty of junior doctors but they may as well have their hands tied behind their backs. Last year alone we employed three thousand oversees doctors to try and bridge the GP gap but its still not enough because they are leaving quicker than arriving.

As I've already said, junior doctors often work a 65 hour week. Its not unusual for a junior doctor to work an 80 hour week because they stay on after their shifts, not because they want to but because they often need to and are even expected to by their seniors. They are not rewarded for those voluntary extra hours, nor do they expect reward.

A junior doctor isn't just someone fresh out of medical school, doing their foundation year. If you join medical school at 18 you can expect to be 27-28 before you lose your junior title.

[Vicky.]

We need more doctors, not to overwork the ones we already have. And as I said before, it is unreasonable to expect people to do more work for less money.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

We need more doctors, not to overwork the ones we already have. And as I said before, it is unreasonable to expect people to do more work for less money.

they \are doing less work, they just don't get over time for weekends, why should they? why don't you celebrate the FACT this new working shift pattern will save tens of thousands of lives on weekends, maybe your friends and family, maybe yours?

[Kizzy]

I don't celebrate it personally as I think junior DRs are over worked as it is and this will simply make a bad situation worse, leading to more deaths as a result of exhausted staff.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't celebrate it personally as I think junior DRs are over worked as it is and this will simply make a bad situation worse, leading to more deaths as a result of exhausted staff.

can you understand simple maths, these doctors are now working LESS hours....because far far more of them work weekends now and the workload is spread. previously too few doctors would accept overtime for money and work too many hours and the majority would work no weekends. this spreads the workloads. junior doctors now work LESS.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

can you understand simple maths, these doctors are now working LESS hours....because far far more of them work weekends now and the workload is spread. previously too few doctors would accept overtime for money and work too many hours and the majority would work no weekends. this spreads the workloads. junior doctors now work LESS.

Please don't patronise me...
This makes no sense, they do work weekends already, it's simply the expansion of what is considered normal working hrs that is in question.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Please don't patronise me...
This makes no sense, they do work weekends already, it's simply the expansion of what is considered normal working hrs that is in question.

You are wrong. a minority work weekends only, the majority do not. do tens of thousands of people die? why aren't you talking about those tens of thousands of dead innocent people? why didn't the junior doctors ever march for them eh?

[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by the truth

You are wrong. a minority work weekends only, the majority do not. do tens of thousands of people die? why aren't you talking about those tens of thousands of dead innocent people? why didn't the junior doctors ever march for them eh?

Do you actually have any proof that the majority of doctors don't work weekends? Because I don't know about you, but I've never been in a hospital on a Sunday and not received anything less than excellent treatment. The same goes for everyone I know. The NHS is already a 24/7 service, and one of the best health services in the world. But if Jeremy Hunt continues to increase the workload, and refuse to allow doctors to earn more money for this extra work, without employing more junior doctors, then the NHS will not be able to function as it does for much longer.

[the truth]

The facts on doctors' pay

Basic salary for junior doctors starts at about £23,000 but increases in the second year to about £28,000 (Pay for doctors - NHS Careers). For a doctor in specialist training, the basic salary is between £30,000 and £47,000.

Junior doctors get more for working extra and anti-social hours (currently classified as outside 07:00 to 19:00 Monday to Friday) on top of the basic salary, which boosts their income.




According to figures from the NHS Employers Organisation, the average total salary for a doctor in training is around £37,000.

The new contract changes anti-social hours to outside 07:00 to 22:00 Monday to Saturday, making Saturday between 07:00 and 22:00 part of a junior doctor's normal working week.

The change to Saturday working has angered doctors, who say it will reduce overtime pay and cut salaries. The Health Secretary, Jeremy Hunt, has indicated he may be prepared to reconsider his plan to reclassify working on Saturdays.

The Department of Health thinks the new contract is a better deal. It says it will increase the basic salary for doctors and improve training so that junior doctors will not get paid less on average overall.

[arista]

This is a 2015 thread
But it is the same problem
Doctors now in 2022 talking of Strikes.

[arista]