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user104658 · 08-12-2015, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

National Express categorically deny that his race or religion had any impact on his being asked to get off the coach. No one knows the full story yet, just a set of "eyewitness reports". And yet, people are already drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany.

If he was put off the coach simply because he was Muslim, that's deplorable. But I doubt it happened.

I do agree that it's likely that this has all been, at the very least, exaggerated in some way BUT... come on... what company is really going to come straight out and admit something like that? It would be a PR nightmare.

Livia · 08-12-2015, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I do agree that it's likely that this has all been, at the very least, exaggerated in some way BUT... come on... what company is really going to come straight out and admit something like that? It would be a PR nightmare.

What else do we have? A couple of eyewitness reports? There must have been dozens of people on that bus, I'd be interested to hear what everyone had to say. In fact, I'd be interested to hear what the man involved had to say.

People who work for National Express aren't generally idiots are they? They'd have had to been seriously idiotic to throw someone off a bus because they were Muslim.

user104658 · 08-12-2015, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

What else do we have? A couple of eyewitness reports? There must have been dozens of people on that bus, I'd be interested to hear what everyone had to say. In fact, I'd be interested to hear what the man involved had to say.

People who work for National Express aren't generally idiots are they? They'd have had to been seriously idiotic to throw someone off a bus because they were Muslim.

Like I said I'd think the whole thing likely is at least exaggerated, I'm just saying the denial from the company is hardly evidence of what happened as no company is going to just hold up their hands to something that could potentially lose them a lot of business.

Kizzy · 08-12-2015, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia

National Express categorically deny that his race or religion had any impact on his being asked to get off the coach. No one knows the full story yet, just a set of "eyewitness reports". And yet, people are already drawing comparisons to Nazi Germany.

If he was put off the coach simply because he was Muslim, that's deplorable. But I doubt it happened.

At least we have more than one witness?

kirklancaster · 08-12-2015, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

At least we have more than one witness?

So two people on a bus full of people cannot 'grind their own axes' by seizing on a situation and distorting the true facts?

There have been 'more than witness' testifying that unarmed blacks in the USA 'reached for a gun' in cases where rogue racist cops have emptied full magazines into them. Does this mean the rogue cops version of events is the true one?

The 'witnesses' testimony is diametrically opposed to the Bus Company's version of events, and as Livia says the company would have to be pretty dumb to eject a passenger simply for being Muslim'. But I will add to that and say they would have to be be even dumber to BROADCAST the fact to the other passengers that this was the reason they asked him to leave.

The ejected passenger is alleged to have refused to put certain of his luggage in the alloted space and was loud and aggressive. How do you know that THIS version is not the true one?

How do you know that it was not his loud aggressive behaviour which intimidated the other passengers and made some of them 'feel uncomfortable travelling with him'?

How did ANYONE else on the bus KNOW that the passenger was a Muslim? Was he wearing a Burka?

Did he announce to the bus driver and other passengers upon boarding: "I am a Muslim"?

I will reserve judgement upon this matter UNTIL fuller facts have emerged.

Kizzy · 08-12-2015, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

So two people on a bus full of people cannot 'grind their own axes' by seizing on a situation and distorting the true facts?

There have been 'more than witness' testifying that unarmed blacks in the USA 'reached for a gun' in cases where rogue racist cops have emptied full magazines into them. Does this mean the rogue cops version of events is the true one?

The 'witnesses' testimony is diametrically opposed to the Bus Company's version of events, and as Livia says the company would have to be pretty dumb to eject a passenger simply for being Muslim'. But I will add to that and say they would have to be be even dumber to BROADCAST the fact to the other passengers that this was the reason they asked him to leave.

The ejected passenger is alleged to have refused to put certain of his luggage in the alloted space and was loud and aggressive. How do you know that THIS version is not the true one?

How do you know that it was not his loud aggressive behaviour which intimidated the other passengers and made some of them 'feel uncomfortable travelling with him'?

How did ANYONE else on the bus KNOW that the passenger was a Muslim? Was he wearing a Burka?

Did he announce to the bus driver and other passengers upon boarding: "I am a Muslim"?

I will reserve judgement upon this matter UNTIL fuller facts have emerged.

It seems more plausible than an MP turning his back on troops in all fairness, so yes we will see how this pans out.

Livia · 09-12-2015, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

It seems more plausible than an MP turning his back on troops in all fairness, so yes we will see how this pans out.

YOu disbelieve this... I understand that. Fact is though, at the Cenotaph this year, when Corbyn walked out wearing a red poppy instead of his usual white one, the servicemen I was with, two of whom were actually at that parade with the Royal Green Jackets, could scarcely believe their eyes. I know it's hard for Corbyn supporters not to believe he's Lord God Almighty... but he's not. He's a disgrace.

Northern Monkey · 08-12-2015, 09:42 PM

I think,More than likely,Somebody has been kicked off a coach for refusing to store their luggage properly and because this person happened to be a muslim it has turned into some racial discrimination incident in the papers even though it probably is'nt.