[arista]

"I would support any genuine effort to really help and support properly the needs of homeless people."

Thats good to hear

[jennyjuniper]

Tell the obvious scammers to 'f... off' and give to organisations like the Salvation Army and local soup kitchens, who help those who really need the help.

[arista]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

Tell the obvious scammers to 'f... off' and give to organisations like the Salvation Army and local soup kitchens, who help those who really need the help.

No its to complex now


all Homeless off English Streets
it will go on Worldwide TV
we have big backers
And many , many Old Army Sheds
that will be done up in 24 hours
Its going to have Army Help.


This is Worlds Greatest Nation
and homeless are not going on our English streets.


Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

No its to complex now


all Homeless off English Streets
it will go on Worldwide TV
we have big backers
And many , many Old Army Sheds
that will be done up in 24 hours
Its going to have Army Help.


This is Worlds Greatest Nation
and homeless are not going on our English streets.


Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

This makes it appear that its going to be a reality when it is nothing more than a figment of the Arista imagination.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

This makes it appear that its going to be a reality when it is nothing more than a figment of the Arista imagination.

People want there
Communities back.
Its a 2020 Election Winner.

If you find yourself Homeless
the Local Police will contact the MOD
and a Lady and a Man will collect
you and whoever else is with you,
and if you are not from the UK
you will be taken to another division.


We are being Fair.

With all the World media watching us
other nations will take our Inspiration.

The First Nation Of the World
to Remove all Homeless from our streets.

Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

People want there
Communities back.
Its a 2020 Election Winner.

If you find yourself Homeless
the Local Police will contact the MOD
and a Lady and a Man will collect
you and whoever else is with you,
and if you are not from the UK
you will be taken to another division.


We are being Fair.

With all the World media watching us
other nations will take our Inspiration.

The First Nation Of the World
to Remove all Homeless from our streets.

Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

Again, it is all in your imagination.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

People want there
Communities back.
Its a 2020 Election Winner.

If you find yourself Homeless
the Local Police will contact the MOD
and a Lady and a Man will collect
you and whoever else is with you,
and if you are not from the UK
you will be taken to another division.


We are being Fair.

With all the World media watching us
other nations will take our Inspiration.

The First Nation Of the World
to Remove all Homeless from our streets.

Evolution Will Not Be Stopped

That actually sounds rather sinister to me and very unsavoury too..

[Kizzy]

It's less serious debate and more a distopian fanfic.

David Cameron has used his New Year message to commit his last four years in Downing Street to beating poverty.

'But on the same day new figures revealed that homelessness has doubled in London under his premiership, with the Conservative government’s cutbacks to housing benefit and its poor record on provision of affordable housing cited as key factors behind the worrying rise in people sleeping rough.'

Hope you've envisaged enough sheds for them all Arista.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6792916.html

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's less serious debate and more a distopian fanfic.

David Cameron has used his New Year message to commit his last four years in Downing Street to beating poverty.

'But on the same day new figures revealed that homelessness has doubled in London under his premiership, with the Conservative government’s cutbacks to housing benefit and its poor record on provision of affordable housing cited as key factors behind the worrying rise in people sleeping rough.'

Hope you've envisaged enough sheds for them all Arista.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a6792916.html

Kizzy
we may even have you working as a adviser,


We have more than enough
Old Army Sheds.
we will even build roads for some them
so walk out if they choose.

[Northern Monkey]

Hey,If it gets people off the streets and into warm shelter with food then why not?It's more than anyone else has done.It would have to go along side what Ammi said about looking at the causes of homelessness.
It's not a bad idea though.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Hey,If it gets people off the streets and into warm shelter with food then why not?It's more than anyone else has done.It would have to go along side what Ammi said about looking at the causes of homelessness.
It's not a bad idea though.

Yes thats it N. M.
Hot Dinners
medical advice
Free to walk right out (if they choose)
but then may go to the Island if they
end up on English Streets.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes thats it N. M.
Hot Dinners
medical advice
Free to walk right out (if they choose)
but then may go to the Island if they
end up on English Streets.

Yeah lets bring back the workhouse. The last one was closed in 1930 but we can always go backwards instead of forwards.

Lets ship the low life's off to other shores just like we did with the Irish in the late eighteen hundreds.

Evolution my arse!

I thought this was a trolling post for the first two pages but then sadly it dawned on me that you're being serious.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yeah lets bring back the workhouse. The last one was closed in 1930 but we can always go backwards instead of forwards.

Lets ship the low life's off to other shores just like we did with the Irish in the late eighteen hundreds.

Evolution my arse!

I thought this was a trolling post for the first two pages but then sadly it dawned on me that you're being serious.

Yes DR.

its not the 1930s
it is 2016 to 2020
And England will change for the better.

No one has to go on a ship
so long as they stay at the Army Sheds
and stay off our pavements

Law and Order
is Common Sense.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes DR.

its not the 1930s but you want something that resembles the 1930's?
it is 2016 to 2020
And England will change for the better. By hiding away the underclass?

No one has to go on a ship
so long as they stay at the Army Sheds so as long as they remain imprisoned?

and stay off our pavements. Your pavements???

Law and Order
is Common Sense.

Sighs and goes off to do something more productive.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yeah lets bring back the workhouse. The last one was closed in 1930 but we can always go backwards instead of forwards.

Lets ship the low life's off to other shores just like we did with the Irish in the late eighteen hundreds.

Evolution my arse!

I thought this was a trolling post for the first two pages but then sadly it dawned on me that you're being serious.

Don't give this govt that idea again DemRed.
It's a wonder they haven't looked at it already.

Evolution can be, as I have said in my view on here before, positive or negative, for me this idea of 'community sheds' sounds absolutely awful.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Don't give this govt that idea again DemRed.
It's a wonder they haven't looked at it already.

Evolution can be, as I have said in my view on here before, positive or negative, for me this idea of 'community sheds' sounds absolutely awful.

We already have it in a way Joey.
If you now claim unemployment benefit for over six weeks Workfare steps in and finds you up to 30 hours a week work. That could be stacking shelves in a supermarket or working as a cleaner or some other menial task. You don't get paid other than your usual benefits so instead of the average salary of Ł210 pw you get just enough to put food in your mouth. If you leave your benefits are stopped for six weeks. Many jobs advertised at the Job Centre aren't actual paying jobs but Workfare placements. Its forced unpaid labour that was brought in by Labour and expanded by the coalition.

There have been cases where people have been made redundant from factories only to be later offered a Workfare unpaid job for the same company doing the same job before they were made redundant.

[kirklancaster]

In Arista's defence - He is right. He is - predictably - under attack because he dares to 'Speak The Truth Which Dare Not Speak Its Name', but the protests and criticism is misplaced.

Let's start by IDENTIFYING just WHAT is meant by the all-sweeping term "Homeless":

First of all, a considerable number of 'homeless' people ELECT to be 'homeless' because they are nomadic/hippie in spirit and nature and do not want what they regard as 'conformist' lives. YES - they CHOOSE to 'doss' outdoors.

An even greater number of 'homeless' people MAKE themselves homeless becuse they deliberately and repeatedly do NOT honour many - or even any - of the conditions in their Tenancy Agreements. These breaches include:

a) Wifully NOT paying the rent - even when the British taxpayer has funded that rent - and electing to spend the money given to them instead, on drugs, drink, gambling, or simply using it to fund a lifestyle BEYOND their means.

b) Trashing their rented accommodation, including NEVER cleaning any of the white goods, filling every room with rotting rubbish or dozens of putrid bin bags, damaging the fixtures and fittings by wilful abuse, allowing other druggies and drunks to 'squat' there without permission, keeping one or more dogs or other pets without permission - usually while selfishly failing to look after them properly, leaving them locked in a room until the dog faeces is so bad that they then move them into another room. Each new 'pet prison' is left with new doors scratched through to a depth of an inch or more, and window cills chewed away.

c) Converting the house or rooms in it, into 'Cannabis Farms' - leaving holes in ceilings and doors cut through to accomodate ventilation ducting, and water damaged floors, and the stench of cannabis permeating the decorations, plasterwork and all the internal fabric of the property.

Then, an ever greater number of 'homeless' people are 'homeless' by default because they are 'mentally ill' or socially ill-equipped to manage their affairs - especially fiscally - and continually fall foul of some or most of the conditions of their Tenancy Areements, and THESE are the TRUE homeless.

THESE are the people who the Social Services are failing.

THESE are the people who genuinely NEED professional help and care.

THESE are the people who NEED sheltered accomodation. The other types of 'homeless' listed above are NOT needing of sympathy or help, and - just as with the scroungers and fraudsters who abuse the Benefits System - GIVING them sympathy, help, and money, is doing so at the EXPENSE of the GENUINE people who NEED it .

As for Arista's suggestions - just WHAT is so WRONG with them?

I mean REALLY wrong - not just irrational umbrage from disgruntled anti-Tory factions grinding their own axes.

Are any of you REALLY saying, that housing those sleeping rough on the streets in purposely converted accommodation is NOT a BETTER solution than allowing them to live on the streets because other ORTHODOX options have been persistently abused by these people and other resolutions are NOT FINANCIALLY viable?

As Arista said; these are 'Huts' in name only, but will be modern clean, attractive homes with fitted kitchens, bathrooms with showers and every other facility which conventional accommodation could boast.

They are NOT 'gulags', NOT 'workhouses', NOT 'jungle camps - they will be modern, bright, attractive communities with gardens and flower beds, street lighting and shops etc - much like fixed mobile home parks in seaside resorts.

For years now, working people in a host of countries - who are NOT homeless - have been buying modern new homes which have been converted from shipping containers, and they are NOT complaining:



They are NOT complaining, because these converted homes are attractive, and functional, and offer them a chance to own their own homes which they otherwise could NOT afford.

For decades now people have been living happily in communities of prefabricated houses such as 'Airey' houses, and they have made smart and attractive 'Homes' from these prefabs.

For decades too, our military have lived for long periods in similar.

There have been very few 'Bad' houses built but there are tens of thousands of 'Bad' tenants - some of whom eventually become 'Homeless', and where these homeless ARE genuine cases in need of help, then help is what they should be given.

There is nothing wrong with offering the rest a warm, clean, 'home' in a modern bright community - in my opinion.

[Johnnyuk123]

Sadly homelessness more than doubled under the Labour party.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-Labour.html

[arista]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Sadly homelessness more than doubled under the Labour party.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-Labour.html

Yes Fecking Labour made it all worse
Wasted 13 years,

[user104658]

Arista, what happened to your proper news threads? I'm sorry but most of your recent threads have been nonsensical

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Arista, what happened to your proper news threads? I'm sorry but most of your recent threads have been nonsensical

Open your Eyes

this section is 2 things

"Serious Debates & News"


Now if you can not Follow my 1st post
you can leave this thread
I am not holding a gun To your Nice head

[Kizzy]

Then what are you seriously debating?
Putting people in sheds...I don't want to work in a glorified internment camp either thanks.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then what are you seriously debating?
Putting people in sheds...I don't want to work in a glorified internment camp either thanks.

Putting homeless people in sheds / sending them to mythical islands, as if this would be a better (or even cheaper) solution than just giving them actual homes... I'm also struggling to see how this constitutes a serious debate, let alone news.

What it is, is a really long, drawn out piece of shock-value sensationalism that can actually be boiled down to 5 words.

"Arista doesn't like homeless people".

Duly noted, Arista. Moving on...?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Putting homeless people in sheds / sending them to mythical islands, as if this would be a better (or even cheaper) solution than just giving them actual homes... I'm also struggling to see how this constitutes a serious debate, let alone news.

What it is, is a really long, drawn out piece of shock-value sensationalism that can actually be boiled down to 5 words.

"Arista doesn't like homeless people".

Duly noted, Arista. Moving on...?

TS The Falklands belong to us


We want the homeless to get a better life

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then what are you seriously debating?
Putting people in sheds...I don't want to work in a glorified internment camp either thanks.

No these are folks Sleeping on
England Streets

A warm Old army shed
well help there Education
and any medical needs


You could be a great adviser
telling the folks its best to use this facility
as if they leave - which they can any time
they must not return to English Streets
as then they go to the Island Camp.
You would help so many homeless

We would love to have you on board.