[arista]

"Finally, how would the FBI get hold of the phone before the attack happens? "

My point is If they did
you say do not unlock it.

[DemolitionRed]

The problem with uranium is, its disproportionately heavy for its volume and so transporting any quantity is difficult and because uranium is highly radio active, it has to be packed in lead which is also incredibly heavy. You'd have trouble picking up your bag in an airport without it falling out through the bottom and you would have difficulty getting through any customs because its radio active signature makes it easily detectable.

[DemolitionRed]

What if the terrorists use throw away phones like they did on 'The Wire'?

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What if the terrorists use throw away phones like they did on 'The Wire'?

They may do
but if Data is on a 2nd proper iPhone
that will lead agents to stop a crew getting ready,
our own Dezzy says its not to be Unlocked

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

The problem with uranium is, its disproportionately heavy for its volume and so transporting any quantity is difficult and because uranium is highly radio active, it has to be packed in lead which is also incredibly heavy. You'd have trouble picking up your bag in an airport without it falling out through the bottom and you would have difficulty getting through any customs because its radio active signature makes it easily detectable.

Sure it has to be Sealed in a heavy machine order
Sealed air tight.

Not Airports
Ships deliver to Ports

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure it has to be Sealed in a heavy machine order
Sealed air tight.

Not Airports
Ships deliver to Ports

Keep in mind, every single item that crosses a shipping border is checked at the other end.

If someone wanted to smuggle uranium onto US soil then they'd find a way, there's no denying that but we are starting to get into some fairly far fetched scenarios here.

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Keep in mind, every single item that crosses a shipping border is checked at the other end.

If someone wanted to smuggle uranium onto US soil then they'd find a way, there's no denying that but we are starting to get into some fairly far fetched scenarios here.

Of Course.

The only reason I had to Expand
was for Dezzy
who will say no to Unlock a Mobile phone
that may have data to stop a Nuke in a Van
Attack.

Most folks say at that point all data is needed
(saying yes to unlock a iPhone)
to stop the Evil Terrorist Nuke Attack
inside America

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

They may do
but if Data is on a 2nd proper iPhone
that will lead agents to stop a crew getting ready,
our own Dezzy says its not to be Unlocked

What would be the point of the throw away phone if they're going to hold the same information on another iPhone to keep?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What would be the point of the throw away phone if they're going to hold the same information on another iPhone to keep?

Because other phones are used just for Collections
not in public places.

The Whole Point is Dezzy Point Blank
says no to unlocking a Terrorists iPhone.

[Tom4784]

The fact you have to keep digging yourself out of holes shows how silly, unrealistic and illogical your little scenario is.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Because other phones are used just for Collections
not in public places.

The Whole Point is Dezzy Point Blank
says no to unlocking a Terrorists iPhone.

You've not actually answered my question.

[DemolitionRed]

If this ever comes to pass, which it won't, terrorists and criminals will simply use throw away phones.

This isn't about terrorism, at least I don't believe it is. This is about data mining which is worth many Łbillions.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The fact you have to keep digging yourself out of holes shows how silly, unrealistic and illogical your little scenario is.

Anything can happen.
I would think if that story happened
you view may change
thats the only point Dezzy.

Respect To You.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

Because other phones are used just for Collections
not in public places.

The Whole Point is Dezzy Point Blank
says no to unlocking a Terrorists iPhone.

Do not dare to speak for me when you don't even have a solid grasp on reality.

As I've explained a thousand times, this ain't about terrorism, the FBI knows they won't find anything on the phone, they just want to set a precedent for the future so they can do it when they please to whoever they please.

Like I said before, they're just using Terrorism as an excuse to invade people's privacy.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You've not actually answered my question.

Because other phones are used just for Collections
not in public places.
(Thats the type that are chucked away.)

So other longer data could be stored on a iPhone
away from the Terrorist building
and if someone spotted a person they thought
was a Terrorist visiting a home
of someone else
Police could rush in collecting his iPhone
after he shot a police man
and return fire killed the Evil Terrorist
but left the important phone

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Do not dare to speak for me when you don't even have a solid grasp on reality.

As I've explained a thousand times, this ain't about terrorism, the FBI knows they won't find anything on the phone, they just want to set a precedent for the future so they can do it when they please to whoever they please.

Like I said before, they're just using Terrorism as an excuse to invade people's privacy.

Sorry.
Not my intention.

But it was a Phone from a Terrorist
that shocked America
as they shot so many with their machine guns.

The massacre in December that killed 14 people.

[user104658]

There could be aliens, guys. Evil aliens that want to kill people - and the information could be in some guy's WhatsApp messages. The only sensible option I can think of, is for everyone's messages to be sent through the CIA where they can be scanned for key words and flagged for alien activity.

If you're not an alien sympathiser you've got nothing to hide so why are you so scared? Hmm? What's your problem? Bit suspicious if you ask me, you probably have a phone full of alien kiddy porn, otherwise you would be willing - nay, HAPPY, for your private communications to be available. You closet terrorist.

[kirklancaster]

I hate to piss on any TIBB expert's parade, but:

With at least 8 Nuclear Weapons lost and still unnaccounted for by the USA during the 50's and 60's, and the high probability that there could be MANY times that number of 'missing' nukes or 'stolen' weapons grade nuclear materials in the years since and right up to the present if we choose to disregard the US authorities assurances to the contrary (the SAME authorities who spent decades DENYING that most of these 8 nukes had gone missing in the first place).

Add in to this nightmare scenario, the very real probability that a HUNDRED or more nukes were unnaccounted for when the Soviet Union collapsed, and it is ridiculous to intimate that full 'nukes' or 'weapons grade' plutonium or uranium is impossible or even all that 'difficult' for terrorist organisations to obtain.

As for; it being impossible to 'smuggle' such nukes or weapons grade material into the USA, when one considers that 75 ILLEGAL TUNNELS leading from MEXICO into the USA have recently been discovered in the San Diego area alone - including 'Super Tech' tunnels complete with railways - Arista's scenario is very FEASIBLE.

Especially given the probability that the 75 discovered tunnels are merely the tip of a very large iceberg.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I hate to piss on any TIBB expert's parade, but:

With at least 8 Nuclear Weapons lost and still unnaccounted for by the USA during the 50's and 60's, and the high probability that there could be MANY times that number of 'missing' nukes or 'stolen' weapons grade nuclear materials in the years since and right up to the present if we choose to disregard the US authorities assurances to the contrary (the SAME authorities who spent decades DENYING that most of these 8 nukes had gone missing in the first place).

Add in to this nightmare scenario, the very real probability that a HUNDRED or more nukes were unnaccounted for when the Soviet Union collapsed, and it is ridiculous to intimate that full 'nukes' or 'weapons grade' plutonium or uranium is impossible or even all that 'difficult' for terrorist organisations to obtain.

As for; it being impossible to 'smuggle' such nukes or weapons grade material into the USA, when one considers that 75 ILLEGAL TUNNELS leading from MEXICO into the USA have recently been discovered in the San Diego area alone - including 'Super Tech' tunnels complete with railways - Arista's scenario is very FEASIBLE.

Especially given the probability that the 75 discovered tunnels are merely the tip of a very large iceberg.

I'd imagine they probably have 30 to 40 high-yield warheads and at least one stealth bomber.

There was actually a tunnel found around 40 miles from the Mexican border and it was the EXACT shape of a stealth bomber, so one probably just flew through that. No one would ever know because they are entirely invisible, and even if someone DID see them, they would be instantly vapourized in nuclear fire. Sooo.

[DemolitionRed]

Government agents manage to lose 8 nuclear weapons and they want us to trust them with our personal information?!?!

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I hate to piss on any TIBB expert's parade, but:

With at least 8 Nuclear Weapons lost and still unnaccounted for by the USA during the 50's and 60's, and the high probability that there could be MANY times that number of 'missing' nukes or 'stolen' weapons grade nuclear materials in the years since and right up to the present if we choose to disregard the US authorities assurances to the contrary (the SAME authorities who spent decades DENYING that most of these 8 nukes had gone missing in the first place).

Add in to this nightmare scenario, the very real probability that a HUNDRED or more nukes were unnaccounted for when the Soviet Union collapsed, and it is ridiculous to intimate that full 'nukes' or 'weapons grade' plutonium or uranium is impossible or even all that 'difficult' for terrorist organisations to obtain.

As for; it being impossible to 'smuggle' such nukes or weapons grade material into the USA, when one considers that 75 ILLEGAL TUNNELS leading from MEXICO into the USA have recently been discovered in the San Diego area alone - including 'Super Tech' tunnels complete with railways - Arista's scenario is very FEASIBLE.

Especially given the probability that the 75 discovered tunnels are merely the tip of a very large iceberg.

Nah, it's a scenario that only happens in films. Your whole post relies on the fact that those weapons are actually missing, you see governments don't tend to leave loose ends when it comes to nukes. They don't just write off bombs that could end the world, shockingly enough.

Chances are those nukes have already been recovered and/or destroyed.

[Kizzy]

Or sold...

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Or sold...

What a scary possibility.

[DemolitionRed]

I hate to piss on any TIBB expert's parade, but

Says the TIBB expert of absolutely everything

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I hate to piss on any TIBB expert's parade, but

Says the TIBB expert of absolutely everything

Hush now, it's well established that Kirk is TiBB's resident Polymath.