[karl100589]

Originally Posted by arista

Fisal he is From the Conservative Party
not UKIP
keep them out of this debate.

And stop going on about Facts

Some people like facts.

[_Tom_]

Gove doing well, despite being constantly interrupted

[Johnnyuk123]

Gove owning him.

[Johnnyuk123]

This interviewer seems to think UK jobs will be safe by staying in the EU.

[_Tom_]

Faisal is struggling tonight, Gove has an answer to almost everything. Audience clapping Gove much more than Cameron last night

[Johnnyuk123]

I want liberation!!!

[Johnnyuk123]

Voting for people that you have no idea who they actually are (besides millionaires) is absolute madness.

[Johnnyuk123]

Well said!!!

[_Tom_]

Gove did great - positive, factual and honest! A much better performance than Cameron last night. Stayed calm and got great points across despite unprofessional badgering from Faisal who was all over the place in that interview.

Time to be proud of Great Britain again and lead, not follow.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Gove did great - positive, factual and honest! A much better performance than Cameron last night. Stayed calm and got great points across despite unprofessional badgering from Faisal who was all over the place in that interview.

Time to be proud of Great Britain again and lead, not follow.

I could not agree more with you Tom. He was brilliant!

[joeysteele]

To be fair to Michael Gove and he is a Conservative politician I have respect for, he did perform really well although in my view he got a slightly easier ride from Faisal than David Cameron got.

However, he still lost me by standing by that £350million figure and the endless don't knows to the questions and no substantiated vision of being out.
He gave a vision but one that has no substance and authority because no one anywhere backs it internationally or even at home in the UK either.

Mragaret Thatcher won a rebate for the UK from the EU,it has stood near solid since she did so in the 1980s.it is wrong to state now by Gove that that rebate could be altered or discontinued, since that also would likely be an issue for a further referendum, so more pie in the sky to me was that claim.
So really no way would the EU attempt that and it also would not I feel, get the agreement of all the other 27 Nations.

He performed well to be fair but it was for me very telling at the end, when asked if he was positioning himself to be PM after Cameron..
He said no to himself but said there were several who could go for PM after Cameron.

Very telling too he did not clearly and strongly insist that Cameron will be there after the EU referendum, or that he would be supporting Cameron to negotiate the leaving terms from the EU either.
I fear the voters are being hoodwinked into having a pre run of a leadership challenge momentum, followed by a leadership election for the Conservative party after this EU referendum.
I hope all undecided voters think very hard on that one.

It saddens me to see a politician like Michael Gove being in any way intentionally or inadvertently party to that too.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

To be fair to Michael Gove and he is a Conservative politician I have respect for, he did perform really well although in my view he got a slightly easier ride from Faisal than David Cameron got.

However, he still lost me by standing by that £350million figure and the endless don't knows to the questions and no substantiated vision of being out.
He gave a vision but one that has no substance and authority because no one anywhere backs it internationally or even at home in the UK either.

Mragaret Thatcher won a rebate for the UK from the EU,it has stood near solid since she did so in the 1980s.it is wrong to state now by Gove that that rebate could be altered or discontinued, since that also would likely be an issue for a further referendum, so more pie in the sky to me was that claim.
So really no way would the EU attempt that and it also would not I feel, get the agreement of all the other 27 Nations.

He performed well to be fair but it was for me very telling at the end, when asked if he was positioning himself to be PM after Cameron..
He said no to himself but said there were several who could go for PM after Cameron.

Very telling too he did not clearly and strongly insist that Cameron will be there after the EU referendum, or that he would be supporting Cameron to negotiate the leaving terms from the EU either.
I fear the voters are being hoodwinked into having a pre run of a leadership challenge momentum, followed by a leadership election for the Conservative party after this EU referendum.
I hope all undecided voters think very hard on that one.

It saddens me to see a politician like Michael Gove being in any way intentionally or inadvertently party to that too.

Can you assure me that in the next 4 years if we do not like what the leader of the EU imposes on the UK during that time that we can vote them out?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Can you assure me that in the next 4 years if we do not like what the leader of the EU imposes on the UK during that time that we can vote them out?

the EU can't impose anything on the UK without our agreement, that was the deal that was agreed prior to the referendum announcement. So we don't need to do anything

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the EU can't impose anything on the UK without our agreement, that was the deal that was agreed prior to the referendum announcement. So we don't need to do anything

Just answer the question. Can we remove the leader of the EU or not? Yes or No will suffice...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123

Just answer the question. Can we remove the leader of the EU or not? Yes or No will suffice...

but its irrelevant as we don't need to do what they say ... that was the point you were making. In addition, the terms of leaders within the EU are all limited timescales, and we always have a voice in deciding who the new leadership will be. Sometimes we will get our preferred choice of leader, other times not. Thats the way it goes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the EU can't impose anything on the UK without our agreement, that was the deal that was agreed prior to the referendum announcement. So we don't need to do anything

Exactly,that is all true bitontheslide.

However I will,(likely making a big mistake again here tonight),answer his question even though he never really answers any of the remain sides questions or gives any assurances on the certainty for the UKs future out of the EU.

No, we will not be able to vote that individual out, however we can send MPs to the European parliament and as you have told Johnny,the EU cannot now impose anything on the UK without the UKs agreement.
That is good enough for me.

So I am not bothered as to voting the leader of the EU out in 4 years and again as you have told Johnny,the UK govt gets a say as to who gets elected to the position anyway.
That equally is good enough for me too.

[Johnnyuk123]

I've not had one single question answered yet by the pro remain side. Make of that what you will.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

Its supposed to be an EU debate and all we are getting in the press is the constant sniping between the next leadership contenders of the Conservative party against the present incumbent.

This campaign is a total disgrace as to what it is for,it is like an election campaign of 2 parties only but everyone from the same party supportive of one manifesto or the other.

How can Gove state that £100million would go to the NHS, he does not make policy himself, he has no idea and cannot tell us what the costs, tariffs and conditions of any trade deal with the EU or indeed the rest of the World will entail.

Yes he can say we would have possibly funding spare if we left but he cannot say where that money would go or for what it would be used for.

It is almost as if what we have is now 2 govts,one with the policies it has now led by Cameron.
Then another just waiting to pounce and throw him and his supporters out for them to take over.

It is pathetic,and it does seem more and more to I would say more and more people too, that this is a battle for the Conservative party leadership and has really very little of conviction as to the EU as to 'in' or 'out'.

David Cameron is in my view, being forced to battle for his political survival,while the self styled bumbling buffoon Boris Johnson with his backers,plans his takeover bid against the PM.

Awful, I am ashamed of UK democracy that a campaign on such an issue as important as this one, has delivered no real facts,truths or reliably substantiated information the voters need to make a really informed decision on the EU and the future of the UK.
An absolute disgrace and headlines like Gove castigates the Prime Minister, just about sums up all the 'out' side and its campaign.

The 'leave' camp promises near Utopia if we leave but with no substance whatsoever, lies,no facts and no support for same internationally or Nationally either,except from themselves.
This is not now fully and really about the EU at all in my view, it is about who is going to be the Prime Minister after the EU vote.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Its supposed to be an EU debate and all we are getting in the press is the constant sniping between the next leadership contenders of the Conservative party against the present incumbent.

This campaign is a total disgrace as to what it is for,it is like an election campaign of 2 parties only but everyone from the same party supportive of one manifesto or the other.

How can Gove state that £100million would go to the NHS, he does not make policy himself, he has no idea and cannot tell us what the costs, tariffs and conditions of any trade deal with the EU or indeed the rest of the World will entail.

Yes he can say we would funding spare if we left but he cannot say where that money would go or for what it would be used for.

It is almost as if what we have is now 2 govts,one with the policies it has now led by Cameron.
Then another just waiting to pounce and throw him and his supporters out for them to take over.

It is pathetic,and it does seem more and more to I would say more and more people too, that this is a battle for the Conservative party leadership and has really very little of conviction as to the EU as to 'in' or 'out'.

David Cameron is in my view, being forced to battle for his political survival,while the self styled bumbling buffoon Boris Johnson with his backers,plans his takeover bid against the PM.

Awful, I am ashamed of UK democracy that a campaign on such an issue as important as this one, has delivered no real facts,truths or reliably substantiated information the voters need to make a really informed decision on the EU and the future of the UK.
An absolute disgrace and headlines like Gove castigates the Prime Minister, just about sums up all the 'out' side and its campaign.

The 'leave' camp promises near Utopia if we leave but with no substance whatsoever, lies,no facts and no support for same internationally or Nationally either,except from themselves.
This is not now fully and really about the EU at all in my view, it is about who is going to be the Prime Minister after the EU vote.

i think this is a pretty accurate reflection. No-one can say where money will be spent. If labour are in power it may go to local councils, NHS or even foreign aid!! ... if its the tories, it may go to reducing taxes or helping small business, but no-one has the authority other than Cameron to say how it will be spent as he is the PM ... and, he is the one not wanting the money to spend .... hope thats all clear then

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think this is a pretty accurate reflection. No-one can say where money will be spent. If labour are in power it may go to local councils, NHS or even foreign aid!! ... if its the tories, it may go to reducing taxes or helping small business, but no-one has the authority other than Cameron to say how it will be spent as he is the PM ... and, he is the one not wanting the money to spend .... hope thats all clear then

Spot on again.

The media is to blame here too with not challenging and making these points for the voters as well.

[Kizzy]

So was the inaccurate £350 million figure raised? I missed it.

[MTVN]

Faisal was more confrontational with Gove imo but I think the audience were much easier on him than they were with Cameron. Some of the scripted questions were quite poor as well and didn't really challenge him. He held up pretty well overall but I think he had an easier task seeing as anyone can just stand there and rubbish the EU and given that there is no precedent for leaving an organisation like that he can basically promise the world and not be held to account for it.