[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

The twists were awful on both 15/16 but the final pass and the killer nomination tops the list. Taking away power from Toya and Ashleigh is up there too. It's like taking an HOH away from someone.

I'm comparing them because they both made their seasons awful for different reasons(not saying they are fully the same because obvs they are not). Both Amanda and Helen both bullied someone and acted aggressively towards people and both are *****(but Amanda took it too far) .Just comparing them on their one trick pony contribution to the season and both made their seasons awful.

I do get you love shouting housemates because it's tv gold but it;s just boring

Err...no, 4In4Out tops the list. Easily the worst twist the producers have concocted since the final-ruining quad eviction, since it was actually a promising start to the series up until that point and it killed it in one night, never to recover again. I agree the Toya thing was a farce but for the most part the twists benefited and were rigged for the right people so idc

...I don't actually think BB15 US was that awful in hindsight, it's a damn sight better than the monotonous BB16 was. Despite all what happened, if nothing else it was gripping. We're never going to agree on Helen bullying someone in BB15 and it's best we don't turn this into yet another debate on that because it will go nowhere, but no matter how much of a **** she was, she has nothing on a woman that made racist, homophobic, xenophobic remarks, relentlessly bullied one particular houseguest up to and including trying to slam her with a metal door and dragging her step-kids into an argument saying she was a terrible mother, they don't love her and 'should've been swallowed' the two are not comparable no matter how hard you try because Scumanda wasn't the only part of her season. Plus, I still don't get how Ashleigh can at all be compared to her?!?! like lmao what on earth?!

As for the bit in bold, I am seriously sick and ****ing tired of you deliberately repeating that same line over and over and over again, despite the fact I have refuted it on several occasions , all of which you have seemingly ignored. I don't know how many times I need to explain it before it goes in but it's a really pathetic go-to line you seem to use when you're losing an argument, so will you please stop it?

[Jake.]

Danielle was the best BB15 female followed by Ashleigh

But to answer the OP, 10 followed by 13

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Err...no, 4In4Out tops the list. Easily the worst twist the producers have concocted since the final-ruining quad eviction, since it was actually a promising start to the series up until that point and it killed it in one night, never to recover again. I agree the Toya thing was a farce but for the most part the twists benefited and were rigged for the right people so idc

...I don't actually think BB15 US was that awful in hindsight, it's a damn sight better than the monotonous BB16 was. Despite all what happened, if nothing else it was gripping. We're never going to agree on Helen bullying someone in BB15 and it's best we don't turn this into yet another debate on that because it will go nowhere, but no matter how much of a **** she was, she has nothing on a woman that made racist, homophobic, xenophobic remarks, relentlessly bullied one particular houseguest up to and including trying to slam her with a metal door and dragging her step-kids into an argument saying she was a terrible mother, they don't love her and 'should've been swallowed' the two are not comparable no matter how hard you try because Scumanda wasn't the only part of her season. Plus, I still don't get how Ashleigh can at all be compared to her?!?! like lmao what on earth?!

As for the bit in bold, I am seriously sick and ****ing tired of you deliberately repeating that same line over and over and over again, despite the fact I have refuted it on several occasions , all of which you have seemingly ignored. I don't know how many times I need to explain it before it goes in but it's a really pathetic go-to line you seem to use when you're losing an argument, so will you please stop it?

I would take 4in4out over final passes as that's more unfair especially since it was so obvious Pauline would give it to a day 1 housemate which was more unfair on day 2 housemates where they also missed out of the first PH.

I would take 16usa over a season full of racists/homophobia/constant bullying. Nearly all of the cast were bigots which for me kills a season. Which is why Elissa/Candice/Helen(usa) need a second chance it was only them 3 who was decent.

I don't ignore I just don't buy it tbh simply because you think Helen was amazing tv when all she did is shout at someone and argue all the time. But each to their own, I just don't understand why you criticise other people for bullying when Helen was targeting Jale,isolated her,ganged up on Ashleigh with her clique, but 16 made you see the real her., she was basically the same person but said more nasty things.

[Jason.]

I actually think 4in4out was more unfair given some people were evicted without having received a single nomination and were flipped over for some people who had like 9 nominations. Not to mention Emma smugly uttering the words "You were all getting along so well...we had to do something" as a justification for turfing them out in a cardboard time machine. It was insulting.

The final pass doesn't look good in hindsight because a) it was given to Helen and b) she ended up winning with it when realistically she would've been out in like Week 2. But had someone like Chris got it and came fifth with it, then it probably wouldn't be seen as much of a big deal, which is understandable.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I would take 4in4out over final passes as that's more unfair especially since it was so obvious Pauline would give it to a day 1 housemate which was more unfair on day 2 housemates where they also missed out of the first PH.

I would take 16usa over a season full of racists/homophobia/constant bullying. Nearly all of the cast were bigots which for me kills a season. Which is why Elissa/Candice/Helen(usa) need a second chance it was only them 3 who was decent.

I don't ignore I just don't buy it tbh simply because you think Helen was amazing tv when all she did is shout at someone and argue all the time. But each to their own, I just don't understand why you criticise other people for bullying when Helen was targeting Jale,isolated her,ganged up on Ashleigh with her clique, but 16 made you see the real her., she was basically the same person but said more nasty things.

If Toya had been there on Day 1 Pauline would've given her the final pass I think

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Jason.

I actually think 4in4out was more unfair given some people were evicted without having received a single nomination and were flipped over for some people who had like 9 nominations. Not to mention Emma smugly uttering the words "You were all getting along so well...we had to do something" as a justification for turfing them out in a cardboard time machine. It was insulting.

What adds insult to injury is the fact that the ones that caused some drama were turfed out and the remaining clique that got along so well banded together against the newbies in one of the worst us vs them of all time. Ugh I HATE BB16.

[Shaun]

3 or 13. 9 and 1 come close.

[TomC]

I can confirm that BB4 had the worst final 2 of all time.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by TomC

I can confirm that BB4 had the worst final 2 of all time.

This shouldn't be up for debate.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I would take 4in4out over final passes as that's more unfair especially since it was so obvious Pauline would give it to a day 1 housemate which was more unfair on day 2 housemates where they also missed out of the first PH.

I would take 16usa over a season full of racists/homophobia/constant bullying. Nearly all of the cast were bigots which for me kills a season. Which is why Elissa/Candice/Helen(usa) need a second chance it was only them 3 who was decent.

I don't ignore I just don't buy it tbh simply because you think Helen was amazing tv when all she did is shout at someone and argue all the time. But each to their own, I just don't understand why you criticise other people for bullying when Helen was targeting Jale,isolated her,ganged up on Ashleigh with her clique, but 16 made you see the real her., she was basically the same person but said more nasty things.

I don't think it's unfair at all, John was given a pass to the final in BB:CH on the first night and I don't recall many people complaining about it back then tbh...maybe it's cause he was a dullard what is unfair is flipping the noms around and evicting four people and ejecting another all in pursuit of ratings when actually the series was really promising up until that point. You may have a point that the final pass should've been done on day two, but we got seriously lucky that it went to Helen and that thankfully the producers didn't pander to the pathetic calls to revoke it (when usually people complain they're always flip-flopping and undoing things) and actually stuck to their guns

There may have been bigots but it was gripping in the sense I was actively rooting against them and for the underdogs, seasons like that under the US format are great to watch, maybe not at the time but certainly in hindsight. BB16 was monotonous and controlled by one houseguest who put a stop to anything happening to protect his own game, it was dull

Again, I'm not getting into another debate about whether or not Helen bullied anyone on BB15, so please don't try and incite it. The fact of the matter is that nearly anything bad that's ever happened on BBUK pales into insignificance compared to that on BBUS. And I have more favourites than just Helen? what about Marcus? Freddie? Mark? Dexter? Lydia? Sarah? To name a few...most of these either didn't shout at all or did so sparingly, you are doing it on purpose and quite frankly it's trolling. I don't support people who shout for the sake of it, that's not a prerequisite of being my favourite, I support people who contribute. If you paid attention to any of my posts ever, you would know this

Originally Posted by reece(:

What adds insult to injury is the fact that the ones that caused some drama were turfed out and the remaining clique that got along so well banded together against the newbies in one of the worst us vs them of all time. Ugh I HATE BB16.

lmao I know right, they basically did the twist to save Jade and then she faded into the background for the next few weeks before emerging again anyway

It's definitely up there with the quad eviction, that robbed us of the best final of all time, 4In4Out destroyed a really promising series

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't think it's unfair at all, John was given a pass to the final in BB:CH on the first night and I don't recall many people complaining about it back then tbh...maybe it's cause he was a dullard what is unfair is flipping the noms around and evicting four people and ejecting another all in pursuit of ratings when actually the series was really promising up until that point. You may have a point that the final pass should've been done on day two, but we got seriously lucky that it went to Helen and that thankfully the producers didn't pander to the pathetic calls to revoke it (when usually people complain they're always flip-flopping and undoing things) and actually stuck to their guns

There may have been bigots but it was gripping in the sense I was actively rooting against them and for the underdogs, seasons like that under the US format are great to watch, maybe not at the time but certainly in hindsight. BB16 was monotonous and controlled by one houseguest who put a stop to anything happening to protect his own game, it was dull

Again, I'm not getting into another debate about whether or not Helen bullied anyone on BB15, so please don't try and incite it. The fact of the matter is that nearly anything bad that's ever happened on BBUK pales into insignificance compared to that on BBUS. And I have more favourites than just Helen? what about Marcus? Freddie? Mark? Dexter? Lydia? Sarah? To name a few...most of these either didn't shout at all or did so sparingly, you are doing it on purpose and quite frankly it's trolling. I don't support people who shout for the sake of it, that's not a prerequisite of being my favourite, I support people who contribute. If you paid attention to any of my posts ever, you would know this

Who the hell is John and what is BB:CH. It was still unfair but each of them had the chance to be nominated but the power housemate only being decided between the day one housemates and the day 2 housemates had no chance in hell getting any rewards. It should have only been a day 1 launch where each one had equal chances of getting the pass. The public should have decided that but it still was an awful twist because they are sailing through to the final which is not the point.

Yes i'm clearly a troll. heard it all now lol.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Who the hell is John and what is BB:CH.

Celebrity Hijack. A good series tbh.

[jackc1806]

They're all decent tbh apart from BB16, which is the ****ing dirt on the floor of BB.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Who the hell is John and what is BB:CH. It was still unfair but each of them had the chance to be nominated but the power housemate only being decided between the day one housemates and the day 2 housemates had no chance in hell getting any rewards. It should have only been a day 1 launch where each one had equal chances of getting the pass. The public should have decided that but it still was an awful twist because they are sailing through to the final which is not the point.

Yes i'm clearly a troll. heard it all now lol.

John from Celebrity Hijack. But none of them were nominated, that's the point! And quite frankly I'd take Helen sailing through to the final over the countless non-entities we've had over the years who've done so through nothing but sitting in the background and never saying a word

I didn't say you were a troll, I said what you're doing is practically trolling because it is - repeating the same line over and over again whenever you're losing an argument despite the fact it's been refuted on several occasions, all of which you've not paid attention to (and probably won't to this time either, you haven't responded again so I'll expect the same comment in a few weeks time)

[Pete.]

Celeb Hijack

Overlooked gem

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't think it's unfair at all, John was given a pass to the final in BB:CH on the first night and I don't recall many people complaining about it back then tbh...

I don't recall many people watching it back then tbh

And people have never held the spin off including CBB to the standard of the regular show when it comes to the rules and fairness anyway.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

John from Celebrity Hijack. But none of them were nominated, that's the point! And quite frankly I'd take Helen sailing through to the final over the countless non-entities we've had over the years who've done so through nothing but sitting in the background and never saying a word

I didn't say you were a troll, I said what you're doing is practically trolling because it is - repeating the same line over and over again whenever you're losing an argument despite the fact it's been refuted on several occasions, all of which you've not paid attention to (and probably won't to this time either, you haven't responded again so I'll expect the same comment in a few weeks time)

Sarah had 2 nominations it was only Harriet who had 0 noms i think.

Clearly I'm not trolling, I do read what you say but as I said before I don't buy it. I don't say it on purpose, I said it for a reason.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Pete.

Celeb Hijack

Overlooked gem

Jay and Calista are one of my favourite BB duos.

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Jay and Calista are one of my favourite BB duos.

Jade the robbed first boot </3

and Amy the snarky queen <3

Also:

Youtube video

[Pete.]

Amy was amazing

Jay and Calista too The star of the series was Joan Rivers though

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't recall many people watching it back then tbh

And people have never held the spin off including CBB to the standard of the regular show when it comes to the rules and fairness anyway.

Probably not much less than those who watched BB15 tbh

Hijack had civilian housemates though and a prize fund so it's different, but I really don't recall anyone caring that John got the pass to the final

Originally Posted by LukeB

Sarah had 2 nominations it was only Harriet who had 0 noms i think.

Clearly I'm not trolling, I do read what you say but as I said before I don't buy it. I don't say it on purpose, I said it for a reason.

Okay, but they weren't up for eviction, that's hardly fair either. You only hate the final pass more because Helen got it and that's the bottom line of it

But you're not reading it...on several occasions I've demonstrated to you why it isn't the truth, and on all of those occasions you've ignored my response and repeated the same line ad nauseam in future. Deliberately. Which is practically the same as trolling. So again, without ignoring it this time, if I only support housemates based on whether they shout or not, how do you explain my support for the housemates I listed (of which there are more) a minute ago, whom rarely shouted or never did?

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Okay, but they weren't up for eviction, that's hardly fair either. You only hate the final pass more because Helen got it and that's the bottom line of it

But you're not reading it...on several occasions I've demonstrated to you why it isn't the truth, and on all of those occasions you've ignored my response and repeated the same line ad nauseam in future. Deliberately. Which is practically the same as trolling. So again, without ignoring it this time, if I only support housemates based on whether they shout or not, how do you explain my support for the housemates I listed (of which there are more) a minute ago, whom rarely shouted or never did?

This is repetitive I guess you are trolling

I am reading it but I just don't buy it but i can't take you serious now since you're throwing trolling around when i'm clearly not

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Probably not much less than those who watched BB15 tbh

Hijack had civilian housemates though and a prize fund so it's different, but I really don't recall anyone caring that John got the pass to the final

Yes, but that was back in 2008. No one gave a damn then. It was all about the main show.

The channel 5 show and the audience it gets is very different all these years later.

Yes, it had a £50k prize but it was still a small E4 show that not many people paid attention to.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LukeB

This is repetitive I guess you are trolling

I am reading it but I just don't buy it but i can't take you serious now since you're throwing trolling around when i'm clearly not

It's repetitive because it's pretty much the truth isn't it! At least I'm not repeating something that's proven to be false. How is someone receiving a pass to the final worse than flipping the noms around, evicting four people and ejecting another because 'you were all getting along too much' in pursuit of ratings? It's a complete joke of a system and an insult to the evicted housemates who even bothered going through the pre-series process

What do you mean you just can't buy it? I'm giving you examples of how your line of reasoning cannot possibly be true and you're still not answering the question. Are those housemates I listed ones that shouted a lot? If not, then why are they my favourites? Bypassing these questions by pretending you can't 'take me seriously' is just a convenient deflection technique so you don't have to justify your baseless accusation, because you know full well you can't.

So again, if I only support housemates who shout, why do I also support the housemates I listed (among many others I didn't)?

[EspeonBB]

BB3 or BB13 imo. The only other series apart from the golden three I'd classify as outstanding