[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I happily owned immaturity and I'll even admit to (over?)confidence and I can be self-important and even mocking.

I am not smug, sneering or snide, tyvm.

Isn't over-confidence, self-importance and mockery the very definition of smug?

It's a wonder why we tolerate you, you miserable git.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Isn't over-confidence, self-importance and mockery the very definition of smug?

It's a wonder why we tolerate you, you miserable git.

No, or at least that's not what I mean when I say it. I don't mind self-assuredness or even pig-headedness. It's the little metaphorical "self satisfied smile", the jeering, cheering, sneering... That's what pushes it over the edge into smugness.

[user104658]

<-- exhibit one, smug, patronising smilies.

[microscope]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

To be expected, every financial expert worth their salt around the world were united in saying that Brexit was a terrible idea but noooo, they're all Nazis! They're all corrupt and whatever excuses Gove and his group of morons came up with to discredit what was common sense.

We're going to keep losing out like this if we aren't part of the single trade and if we are then immigration remains the same and so does everything else except we won't get a say in the EU any more but hey! We got to stick it to the man, right?

It's rather satisfying to watch the Brexit campaign continue to self destruct so quickly after their victory. Leaving won't help the NHS' funding, it won't change immigration and we're still going to have to dance to the EU's tune. What were meant to be the benefits of leaving again? There doesn't seem to be any.

How is it self destructing?

It will change immigration as we can control our borders once we leave. If Europe is in control then it's hard to refuse as we have to do what they say. We don't have to dance to their tune anymore unless the new man or woman at number 10 Downing street let's them.

The benefits are very clear. By having less foreigners live in the UK we instantly save Billions of pounds over time. The cost of staying in the EU per week is £250 Million, so that's a lot less money thrown down the Brussels toilet We have our country back again in complete control without having to ask permission on what we can and can't do, which put's the word "Great" back in Great Britain. There is also a lot more positives

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by microscope

How is it self destructing?

It will change immigration as we can control our borders once we leave. If Europe is in control then it's hard to refuse as we have to do what they say. We don't have to dance to their tune anymore unless the new man or woman at number 10 Downing street let's them.

The benefits are very clear. By having less foreigners live in the UK we instantly save Billions of pounds over time. The cost of staying in the EU per week is £250 Million, so that's a lot less money thrown down the Brussels toilet We have our country back again in complete control without having to ask permission on what we can and can't do, which put's the word "Great" back in Great Britain. There is also a lot more positives

250 million, that's a million less than last week

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

250 million, that's a million less than last week

it reflects the new value of the pound

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it reflects the new value of the pound

Of course

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by microscope

How is it self destructing?

It will change immigration as we can control our borders once we leave. If Europe is in control then it's hard to refuse as we have to do what they say. We don't have to dance to their tune anymore unless the new man or woman at number 10 Downing street let's them.

The benefits are very clear. By having less foreigners live in the UK we instantly save Billions of pounds over time. The cost of staying in the EU per week is £250 Million, so that's a lot less money thrown down the Brussels toilet We have our country back again in complete control without having to ask permission on what we can and can't do, which put's the word "Great" back in Great Britain. There is also a lot more positives

Immigration will not change, it's naive to think it will because we need to get in on the Single Trade and to do that we need to play by EU rules which means free movement. If we're not part of it then plenty more companies will move their operations to EU countries and we'll lose out.

[microscope]

Originally Posted by microscope

How is it self destructing?

It will change immigration as we can control our borders once we leave. If Europe is in control then it's hard to refuse as we have to do what they say. We don't have to dance to their tune anymore unless the new man or woman at number 10 Downing street let's them.

The benefits are very clear. By having less foreigners live in the UK we instantly save Billions of pounds over time. The cost of staying in the EU per week is £250 Million, so that's a lot less money thrown down the Brussels toilet We have our country back again in complete control without having to ask permission on what we can and can't do, which put's the word "Great" back in Great Britain. There is also a lot more positives

Immigration numbers will change but sadly it is not Nigel Farage who will be calling the shots and I can estimate already that the Conservatives will let a lot more in than he would do, but however many more they bring in than the UKIP's would, it will still be a lot less than it would be if we had stayed in the EU. Also Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey which the UK government were and are paying over £1.8 Billion just to encourage at least '2' of those countries to join the EU, would eventually find hundreds of thousands, or perhaps more of those people from all those countries coming to live in the UK, but not anymore and that will be the same answer to all the other European countries as long as this government says NO to them.

I know that if companies move away like HSBC are threatening to do then it does affect the economy in the short term, but if they are too weak to stay (or for that fact) ANY other business, then UK citizens can quite easily close their bank accounts at the banks that move elsewhere and simply move their money to banks who choose to stay over here. The same can be said with other businesses. People have to learn how to widen their scope and open their eyes and when one door closes then open another. I would absolutely love it if every single person in the UK closed their HSBC account lol. It's a pity people don't stick together. You can move mountains with enough people power, but their are simply too many sheep out there.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by microscope

Immigration numbers will change but sadly it is not Nigel Farage who will be calling the shots and I can estimate already that the Conservatives will let a lot more in than he would do, but however many more they bring in than the UKIP's would, it will still be a lot less than it would be if we had stayed in the EU. Also Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey which the UK government were and are paying over £1.8 Billion just to encourage at least '2' of those countries to join the EU, would eventually find hundreds of thousands, or perhaps more of those people from all those countries coming to live in the UK, but not anymore and that will be the same answer to all the other European countries as long as this government says NO to them.

I know that if companies move away like HSBC are threatening to do then it does affect the economy in the short term, but if they are too weak to stay (or for that fact) ANY other business, then UK citizens can quite easily close their bank accounts at the banks that move elsewhere and simply move their money to banks who choose to stay over here. The same can be said with other businesses. People have to learn how to widen their scope and open their eyes and when one door closes then open another. I would absolutely love it if every single person in the UK closed their HSBC account lol. It's a pity people don't stick together. You can move mountains with enough people power, but their are simply too many sheep out there.

I so wish you posted more often

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by microscope

Immigration numbers will change but sadly it is not Nigel Farage who will be calling the shots and I can estimate already that the Conservatives will let a lot more in than he would do, but however many more they bring in than the UKIP's would, it will still be a lot less than it would be if we had stayed in the EU. Also Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey which the UK government were and are paying over £1.8 Billion just to encourage at least '2' of those countries to join the EU, would eventually find hundreds of thousands, or perhaps more of those people from all those countries coming to live in the UK, but not anymore and that will be the same answer to all the other European countries as long as this government says NO to them.

I know that if companies move away like HSBC are threatening to do then it does affect the economy in the short term, but if they are too weak to stay (or for that fact) ANY other business, then UK citizens can quite easily close their bank accounts at the banks that move elsewhere and simply move their money to banks who choose to stay over here. The same can be said with other businesses. People have to learn how to widen their scope and open their eyes and when one door closes then open another. I would absolutely love it if every single person in the UK closed their HSBC account lol. It's a pity people don't stick together. You can move mountains with enough people power, but their are simply too many sheep out there.

Didn't you read the article, it's nothing to do with the banks being weak it's the loss of "passporting"



If the UK was not in the single market or the European Economic Area (EEA), it would mean the loss of "passporting", which allows banks to operate without restriction in all EEA countries.

The EEA comprises the 28 members of the EU, plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. EEA rules allow those non-EU countries to be part of the EU's single market, as long as they allow full freedom of movement of people.

[microscope]

Originally Posted by microscope

Immigration numbers will change but sadly it is not Nigel Farage who will be calling the shots and I can estimate already that the Conservatives will let a lot more in than he would do, but however many more they bring in than the UKIP's would, it will still be a lot less than it would be if we had stayed in the EU. Also Albania, Macedonia, Montenegro, Serbia and Turkey which the UK government were and are paying over £1.8 Billion just to encourage at least '2' of those countries to join the EU, would eventually find hundreds of thousands, or perhaps more of those people from all those countries coming to live in the UK, but not anymore and that will be the same answer to all the other European countries as long as this government says NO to them.

I know that if companies move away like HSBC are threatening to do then it does affect the economy in the short term, but if they are too weak to stay (or for that fact) ANY other business, then UK citizens can quite easily close their bank accounts at the banks that move elsewhere and simply move their money to banks who choose to stay over here. The same can be said with other businesses. People have to learn how to widen their scope and open their eyes and when one door closes then open another. I would absolutely love it if every single person in the UK closed their HSBC account lol. It's a pity people don't stick together. You can move mountains with enough people power, but their are simply too many sheep out there.

Let me try to understand this. You are saying that unless we do what the EEA/single market demands then there wouldn't be passporting allowed whatsoever.

This underlines exactly why "we the British people" have to completely cut out this infestation that mimics itself to a disease that you must keep away from at all costs. A group of individuals that think they can rule countries, peoples lives and businesses.

The whole idea of Brexit is that we are no longer controlled by these horrible people anymore. We can do what we want, how we want and when we want. We can have a government that we vote in and runs our country without any interference from these people whatsoever. If a man in France wants to come to visit the UK then all he has to do is buy a passport and come for a lovely holiday and we are going to say YES!!, it is that simple. If a man from the UK wants to visit France and those horrible people say that we can't unless we do what those monsters demand of us, then we don't go there at all, not ever. And it is France who are the fools for staying in Europe, if they want to be governed in that way and by those types of people and they will lose out in the long run.

The same applies to banks and whatever restrictions they are placing on them unless we comply to their demands. It is very much like blackmail or even terrorism, as their rules and regulations are their to intimidate. The power that these people have got and the power has indeed gone right to their heads and to a point whereby all the leaders of all these countries just seem to abide by. It is money which is dictating all of this which breeds corruption of course and this whole scheme smells as dirty and disgusting as it can get really. Nigel Farage has studied and researched this to such depth that is of no wonder why he speaks to them and refers to them as the scum that they are.

We need to look at that word, "Great" in "Great Britain" and start standing upto them like never before.

1) We become totally independent from Europe and every country in the world.

2) Any bank or business that wishes to leave the UK, let them go on their way and wish them good luck.

3) Close your bank account in every bank that leaves the UK and place it in a bank that stays in the UK and supports us.

4) Tell those power-hungry people in Brussels that we do what we want and not what they want and if they don't like it then tell them to get stuffed.

5) If those horrible people in Brussels wish to make life difficult for us and those countries that are still in the EU comply to their demands, then do business with another country.

6) Never give in to acts of terrorism or blackmail from them.


I think that about sums it up

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by microscope

Let me try to understand this. You are saying that unless we do what the EEA/single market demands then there wouldn't be passporting allowed whatsoever.

This underlines exactly why "we the British people" have to completely cut out this infestation that mimics itself to a disease that you must keep away from at all costs. A group of individuals that think they can rule countries, peoples lives and businesses.

The whole idea of Brexit is that we are no longer controlled by these horrible people anymore. We can do what we want, how we want and when we want. We can have a government that we vote in and runs our country without any interference from these people whatsoever. If a man in France wants to come to visit the UK then all he has to do is buy a passport and come for a lovely holiday and we are going to say YES!!, it is that simple. If a man from the UK wants to visit France and those horrible people say that we can't unless we do what those monsters demand of us, then we don't go there at all, not ever. And it is France who are the fools for staying in Europe, if they want to be governed in that way and by those types of people and they will lose out in the long run.

The same applies to banks and whatever restrictions they are placing on them unless we comply to their demands. It is very much like blackmail or even terrorism, as their rules and regulations are their to intimidate. The power that these people have got and the power has indeed gone right to their heads and to a point whereby all the leaders of all these countries just seem to abide by. It is money which is dictating all of this which breeds corruption of course and this whole scheme smells as dirty and disgusting as it can get really. Nigel Farage has studied and researched this to such depth that is of no wonder why he speaks to them and refers to them as the scum that they are.

We need to look at that word, "Great" in "Great Britain" and start standing upto them like never before.

1) We become totally independent from Europe and every country in the world.

2) Any bank or business that wishes to leave the UK, let them go on their way and wish them good luck.

3) Close your bank account in every bank that leaves the UK and place it in a bank that stays in the UK and supports us.

4) Tell those power-hungry people in Brussels that we do what we want and not what they want and if they don't like it then tell them to get stuffed.

5) If those horrible people in Brussels wish to make life difficult for us and those countries that are still in the EU comply to their demands, then do business with another country.

6) Never give in to acts of terrorism or blackmail from them.


I think that about sums it up

I don't think HSBC is going to close down in the UK fully just move some staff to a Eurozone country so it can continue to process euros, I don't know a lot about Finance but there are certain laws that apply to the Eurozone that do not apply to countries outside it, that's why banks from outside the Eurozone set up in a Eurozone country so they can avail of the opportunities. I'd imagine some of the English banks will move some of their offices elsewhere within the Eurozone so they can continue to trade in euros so you might want to put your money under your mattress if you take the approach of closing your bank account for every bank that pops up in the Eurozone

[microscope]

Originally Posted by microscope

Snip/ 2) Any bank or business that wishes to leave the UK, let them go on their way and wish them good luck.

3) Close your bank account in every bank that leaves the UK and place it in a bank that stays in the UK and supports us.

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think HSBC is going to close down in the UK fully just move some staff to a Eurozone country so it can continue to process euros, I don't know a lot about Finance but there are certain laws that apply to the Eurozone that do not apply to countries outside it, that's why banks from outside the Eurozone set up in a Eurozone country so they can avail of the opportunities. I'd imagine some of the English banks will move some of their offices elsewhere within the Eurozone so they can continue to trade in euros so you might want to put your money under your mattress if you take the approach of closing your bank account for every bank that pops up in the Eurozone

Yes I agree that HSBC is very unlikely to move away from the UK altogether, but if they did then I would urge people to reconsider keeping their money in there as there are plenty of other banks here.

Personally I am not a fan of banks or building societies for quite a few reasons. The government has had to step in and help them on too many occasions when things have gone wrong and the amount spent on doing that is frightening!!!

I would recommend putting money in premium bonds. At least you get the chance of winning cash prizes and your money is safe. Interest rates are so low these days anyway.

I know that with dealing in foreign currencies there are costs involved in exchange rates from one currency to another and all that, but we wasn't using the euro before Brexit and we won't be after brexit, so what's the big difference now? Just because we are choosing to leave the EU altogether, they shouldn't be charging UK banks any more commision than they were before. The only extra expense will be the fall in the pound.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The good old British public putting freedom above money

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The good old British public putting freedom above money

Didn't many vote based on money though? 'We send £350 million to the EU!'

That's how it went wasn't it?...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Didn't many vote based on money though? 'We send £350 million to the EU!'

That's how it went wasn't it?...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

As one door closes

They all close, if HSBC go how is that going to inspire confidence in other companies?... :/

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They all close, if HSBC go how is that going to inspire confidence in other companies?... :/

Lets see if they do go
so far Nothing official

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Didn't many vote based on money though? 'We send £350 million to the EU!'

That's how it went wasn't it?...

well if you have evidence of voters specifically deciding to leave based on a bus advert alone then link to it here

[Crimson Dynamo]

i would imagine the false threat of an emergency budget was more of a swinger, just my opinion...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well if you have evidence of voters specifically deciding to leave based on a bus advert alone then link to it here

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7085016.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7085016.html

That is not evidence i am afraid its a poll to say that some believed it and some did not. It does not say that it caused people to vote either way and indeed after the vote I dont think many people believe in polls anymore

[user104658]

Someone needs to put LT in touch with the people who are spending millions on political campaigns! He's discovered that advertising doesn't actually work... it has absolutely NO effect on voters or voting percentages either way! Hooraaay a lot of people are going to save a LOT of money LT, you can't just sit on this knowledge.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Someone needs to put LT in touch with the people who are spending millions on political campaigns! He's discovered that advertising doesn't actually work... it has absolutely NO effect on voters or voting percentages either way! Hooraaay a lot of people are going to save a LOT of money LT, you can't just sit on this knowledge.

I just like evidence rather than "I think" or "a lot of people"