[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

I think you should reread this sentence because I hope, upon reflection, you realize how silly this sounds. Losing the referendum is a MASSIVE deal to them.

It's a massive deal to their egos, like I said. They will live out the rest of their lives rich, comfortable and fat. They will never know individual hardship, or suffering... they will not struggle to get by due to any dent in the economy.

I am of the opinion that the knock-on effects of this decision will make life harder for normal people. Doubly so for young families, and double it again for families like mine. Where you see hope and idealism, I see a life that looks harder and harder by the day on an individual level, and for what? To "save the world"? To "fix the west"? For who? Others? Why? They don't deserve it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

Yes:



BBC News

The Civil Service was banned from helping ANY Leave-backing minister to make contingency plans for Brexit.

Right... then why the hell were the commons all patting him on the back as he retired from his post in the knowledge that he had proposed this carve up with no provision for both outcomes?...Seems a massive failure of duty to me.

Am I missing something?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

we say to them, you ****ing idiots, you voted out?

Sorry, not here for places that voted overwhelmingly to leave now bitching on about the funding they recieved from the EU now being cut, which is what is happening. Seen the same about Cornwall too. Idiots...

They may have expected a slice of the £350 million, not forthcoming is it?

Ignorance is not bliss Middlesboro and Cornwall

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

They may have expected a slice of the £350 million, not forthcoming is it?

Ignorance is not bliss Middlesboro and Cornwall

If anyone believed anyone besides the fatcats would receive any of this 'surplus' that we 'save' they deserve to be screwed over

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If anyone believed anyone besides the fatcats would receive any of this 'surplus' that we 'save' they deserve to be screwed over

No no Vicky, the Great British people are going to vote in the second coming of Christ and he will share the money out fairly. That's Brexit stage 2.

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a massive deal to their egos, like I said. They will live out the rest of their lives rich, comfortable and fat. They will never know individual hardship, or suffering... they will not struggle to get by due to any dent in the economy.

I am of the opinion that the knock-on effects of this decision will make life harder for normal people. Doubly so for young families, and double it again for families like mine. Where you see hope and idealism, I see a life that looks harder and harder by the day on an individual level, and for what? To "save the world"? To "fix the west"? For who? Others? Why? They don't deserve it.

Has anyone ever explained to you the basic economics of how the normal working class people will be the ones to benefit most from a restriction on the free movement of labor from other countries? Their market power is their ability to sell their unskilled labor and when someone from Poland is willing to do the same work for half the wage then their market power will diminish because of unmitigated immigration.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Has anyone ever explained to you the basic economics of how the normal working class people will be the ones to benefit most from a restriction on the free movement of labor from other countries? Their market power is their ability to sell their unskilled labor and when someone from Poland is willing to do the same work for half the wage then their market power will diminish because of unmitigated immigration.

Meaningless when the economy contracts and there's less to go around in the first place.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

If anyone believed anyone besides the fatcats would receive any of this 'surplus' that we 'save' they deserve to be screwed over

Yep you know that, and I know that but you tell steve down the chippy that

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Meaningless when the economy contracts and there's less to go around in the first place.

It will contract for a few weeks. Boohoo. The whole world is waiting for the return of Great Britain and I think it will return. Well, at least you didn't disagree with my economic point.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

It will contract for a few weeks. Boohoo. The whole world is waiting for the return of Great Britain and I think it will return. Well, at least you didn't disagree with my economic point.

Again, as I've said many times throughout these threads, I hope you're right but time will tell.

[arista]

From BBC2HD Newsnight (28/6/16)
some EU members are happy to pack our bags


Thats OK Fellas
we can manage our own bags

[arista]

I am with the EU feller JUNCKER
and Farage and Paul Mason (Daily politics)

NO Cat and Mose Games
Civil Divorce

Our New PM hands over Art 50
soon


We will pay a Price - sure
BUT its our Democratic RIGHT

We Legally Voted to Leave

I thank Dave Cameron for the Vote of
last week

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn't say we can't, I said we probably won't. Something revolutionary could happen, but it probably won't.

Is that being defeatist? Probably, but it's also realistic and firmly based on literally ALL of the evidence... there is no indication that we will change this. I don't have faith in the public. I honest-to-my-socks believe that 75% of the public is unintelligent, pig-ignorant and easily lead and will continue to vote for whatever it is The Sun happens to be telling them to vote for that week. There have been three major votes here in the last year - that is exactly what has happened in every single one of them.

I know that's not a popular opinion and people get butt-hurt over it, "U can't tell dat peoples are teh stoopid dat is rong!" and Ammi will tell me off and stuff, but god damn it they just straight up are. Most people. Stupid. You know it.

Sigh.

It's not even that I can't appreciate the challenge or the sense of adventure here Kirk. I said in another thread, when I was a student in my early 20's I would actually have been all for this. Genuinely all for it. I know that the EU is an elitist shambles and that's the sort of thing I hate with a passion. I just also know that UK domestic politics is no different. Unencumbered by responsibility I'd be all for fighting that and hoping that it could be changed, even if the chance is small, I'd say "**** it let's give it a damned good shot".

I don't have that luxury now. And my gut feeling is that we have damaged the country, irreparably. We won't get the sort of trade deals we would like, we won't have much of a seat at the world table for long, and every single normal individual in this country will be worse off - and some cripplingly, disastrously so - for no real political gain. Living under scummy overlords. Doesn't matter if they're in London or Brussels or a dome on the Moon.

.....shut yer face, TS....


..anyways, I don't think this is about fact/truth or any of the such like...when we talk about Great Britain and putting the great back into it etc and such phrases...we're talking about a spirit of the people, not about economics or how financially stable/unstable etc...if we have a united spirit then we'll flourish in other ways as well...but we haven't got that/we couldn't really be any further removed form that 'great' as a country because we have a huge portion of the population in feelings of deep despondency...maybe even more than half of the population now, if many were to be regretting how they have voted in being lied to and feeling that things like the NHS were going to become great through this Brexit as well...those feelings and the cloud of depression covering a vast part of the country are not going to be dispelled...it just doesn't work that way ..the truth and fact for me is that in the coming recession, like all recessions it will become 'only the strong will survive' type thing, which in itself becomes an 'every man for himself' thing..I need to survive and me, me, me etc...that's not criticising that though because that's a human reaction, isn't it...but it's not something that is ever going to make a 'Great Britian' that is so desperately needed right now and for a very long time to come...we are not great because we are divided, we are two half countries essentially, in our spirit...

[Ammi]

...someone left the Great out in the rain, I don't think that I can take it, 'cause it took so long to bake it and we'll never have that recipe again...OH EU......!!!!!!!!!!!!....

[Ammi]

..ok, I'll stop with the dooms and the glooms...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Has anyone ever explained to you the basic economics of how the normal working class people will be the ones to benefit most from a restriction on the free movement of labor from other countries? Their market power is their ability to sell their unskilled labor and when someone from Poland is willing to do the same work for half the wage then their market power will diminish because of unmitigated immigration.

Will there be a restriction? At the moment it doesn't look like it, as the deal has not yet been done, free movement is still on the cards

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...someone left the Great out in the rain, I don't think that I can take it, 'cause it took so long to bake it and we'll never have that recipe again...OH EU......!!!!!!!!!!!!....

Ammi

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...someone left the Great out in the rain, I don't think that I can take it, 'cause it took so long to bake it and we'll never have that recipe again...OH EU......!!!!!!!!!!!!....

Fecking EU weather

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..ok, I'll stop with the dooms and the glooms...

How Nice

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Will there be a restriction? At the moment it doesn't look like it, as the deal has not yet been done, free movement is still on the cards

Depends on who the Next PM Lady is
in Sept 2016



Australia & NZ
wants to set up Trade deals
right away.


Thats good a NZ Lamb
tastes good

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Depends on who the Next PM Lady is
in Sept 2016



Australia & NZ
wants to set up Trade deals
right away.


Thats good a NZ Lamb
takes good

I'm sure British lamb tastes better

[Ammi]

..Arista, we can always rely on you thinking about your dinner while so many are thinking about their livelihoods and the impact on those...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm sure British lamb tastes better

Yes thats also good


at AsdaWalmart
I can buy 8 Fresh Lamb British Chops
for just £7

If you Buy 2
4 packs at £4 each
I get One Pound off

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..Arista, we can always rely on you thinking about your dinner while so many are thinking about their livelihoods and the impact on those...

Yes But I Worked All Night
so I need a Dinner

Some of us
are Hard Workers

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Will there be a restriction? At the moment it doesn't look like it, as the deal has not yet been done, free movement is still on the cards

A restriction is what I think the Out movement was supposed to be about. If the Brexiters mitigate their stated aims that would be unfortunate for the ordinary Brit. And shame on those leaders. I'm not defending it.