[bonnie43uk]

Simon did'nt actually say anything nasty about Chantelle .. just read clips from her book, If that was Chantelle sat there, she would have laughed her head off. Preston has lost his credibility. As someone mentioned, the guy they got from the audience had more personality than him.

good episode though, well worth watching again!!!

[Princess]

Just to say I don't think Preston cares whatsoever about his credibility. He never has done or he wouldn't have done any of the stuff he has done in the last year!

[rachb]

Ok well I'm back!
I've been gone quite a while as I've been unable to get onto the forum and how things change around here
I'm sorry I took the time to do screengrabs they were meant for people to look at not pick on.thanks Laura for posting them.

I for the record have the same opinion as Princess on this subject and make no apology for that.

I think most of us are adult enough to see the amount of editing that goes into these shows and I'm in no doubt that the selective bit we saw was just the tip of the iceberg.
In my opinion Chnatelle's book had nothing to do with this show so it should never have been part of the script.It's supposed to be a music quiz.

ooh p.s it's great to be back

[Princess]

Yay Rach!!You're back! I've been needing a Prestelle fan around here desperatley. Great to see you back!

[Ruth]

Originally posted by rachb
I think most of us are adult enough to see the amount of editing that goes into these shows and I'm in no doubt that the selective bit we saw was just the tip of the iceberg.

But how do you know that though? Just because you want it to be the fault of the editing doesn't mean it is necessarily so.

In my opinion Chnatelle's book had nothing to do with this show so it should never have been part of the script.It's supposed to be a music quiz.

Everyone knows it's supposed to be a satirical comedy show. If you think Chantelle's book should not have been mentioned, then maybe Phil Jupitus, Ed Byrne and Anne Charleston should not have been on the show at all - after all none of them are in the music industry.

I don't anybody expects you to apologise for your opinion. But I don't see why anybody else should apologise for disagreeing with you.

[rachb]

Nobody is asking you to apologise for disagreeing with me!

As for the editing well I read several reports from people that were at the recording of the show that said it took 3 hours to flm a 30 minute show.So I'd say that left quite a bit of room for editing.
Also the fact that the team captains sent texts afterwards to say they thought he was out of order.Add that to the fact that apparently (I don't know how true it is) Simon apologised for crossing the line.

As for the music thing well yes I did say it was a music quiz but I didn't say you had to be a musician to appear on it.The other contestants put themselves foward for rib poking when they went on the show though and Chantelle was not a guest on the show.If she were then it would have been fair game to pick on her and her book.
I didn't see them picking on anyone elses partners just Prestons.

[x_mel_x]

I thought it was really out of order,i normally really like Simon but how would you feel if someone was taking the mick out of someone you loved. I thought it was really sweet how Preston just walked out.

[Ruth]

How exactly is quoting from Chantelle's book actually crossing the line? Simon did not say one nasty thing about Chantelle as far as I recall. Preston was annoyed from the beginning of the show.

I'm surprised to hear that the team leaders sent texts saying that Simon was out of order (if I've understood that correctly.) They seemed to think that Preston was a complete plank for walking out.

Preston humiliated his ex-girlfriend far more than anyone on Buzzcocks humiliated Chantelle. I'm sorry to keep repeating that fact, but nobody seems able to challenge it.

[Diablo]

I think if Chantelle was on the show when he was reding from her book, even she would have saw the funny side..

[GiRTh]

I'm agreeing with Roof. I’ve watched it on tape a couple of times. When Preston walked out Bill Bailey clearly says ‘We’re only having a laugh’ while Phil Jupituss simply shook his head – I don’t quite know how to read that – Simon also tried to call Preston back.

Preston was narked by the comment at the beginning of the show and his mood took a down turn there on. The only thing that amused him was his own ‘Da Vinci’ code comment.

[rachb]

Originally posted by Ruth
How exactly is quoting from Chantelle's book actually crossing the line? Simon did not say one nasty thing about Chantelle as far as I recall. Preston was annoyed from the beginning of the show.

I'm surprised to hear that the team leaders sent texts saying that Simon was out of order (if I've understood that correctly.) They seemed to think that Preston was a complete plank for walking out.

Preston humiliated his ex-girlfriend far more than anyone on Buzzcocks humiliated Chantelle. I'm sorry to keep repeating that fact, but nobody seems able to challenge it.

Ok well the girlfriend thing first then Ruth,I do take your point about his ex girlfriend but this was big brother and in the history of big brother this has happened a few times.People meet in unusual circumstances they have no contact with the outside world and no idea what people are saying.
Obviously he had feelings for Chnatelle but he never acted on those feelings as we've seen so many do before.He waited until he came out and even then tried to deny his feelings to save his girlfriend further hurt.I think the main point in it all is that none of us know the state of his previous relationship and also only those who have been in the situation know how it feels to fall for someone in such an environment.
Note I did say he tried to deny his feelings in my opinion he didn't do a good job and as a result the media picked up on them and he and the media hurt his girlfriend which is not right but hey that's life.people get hurt everyday.I think the fact that he's gone on to marry Chantelle at least is something he didn't just run off with someone and have a fling it was someone he felt he 's going to spend his life with.

Now back to topic the reading from the book was hardly going to be a positive review if they didn't think their was a joke to be had out of it,it would never have been mentioned.
He was mocking her in my opinion.I also agree with the opinion that Chantelle would have probably laughed about it and told him to shut up.But she wasn't there to do that.He was maybe over protective and sensitive but that doesn't make him bad.I'd like to think that someone would do that for me in the same situation.
That's what I would like to see someone do.
As a matter of interest what do you think he should have done?
The way I see it the options were stay and laugh-his wife isn't going to be too happy with that.
Say something back-well that's ok if you can think of something,don't forget the host has a script to make him look quick witted.
Hit him-well that would have been great tv but what would people be saying about that one if he gets stick for walking away.
other-please add

[Diablo]

I think if Preston had a sense of humour we wouldn't even be discussing this episode of Buzzcocks.. and I think that even Chantelle would have seen the funny side.. Usually the contestants come out with their own witty responses but Preston had none and that was his problem..

[rachb]

Well that's a matter of opinion.I personally don't find Simon Amstell funny and that is nothing to do with Preston.
I think it's the team captains and other guests that make the show funny not him reading his little script.
Despite my views on the host I still did laugh at bits of the show.Bill Bailey was funny getting someone from the audience and also the empty chair at the end was funny.

[Ruth]

I think Simon Amstell is hilarious on that show. Far better than Mark Lamarr used to be.

About quoting from the book - I made this point earlier. If the book wasn't full of such vacant rubbish, there would have been nothing to laugh at. it's not Simon's fault that Chantelle's book is (in the opinion of a lot of people) rubbish. As you say there was obviously a joke to be had from it - but whose fault is that?

What should Preston have done? Maybe told Simon off in a mocking manner? Maybe given the kind of come-back that everyone else seemed capable of? If the show is as edited as you say, he would have had plenty of time to think up an appropriately funny response. Who is really to say what he should have done? He can do what he likes, but people are bound to have an opinion on it.

As I said earlier, I have heard Preston having a go about other 'celebs' - how come it's okay for him to do it, but not okay for someone to poke fun at him? Pot...kettle anyone?

Regarding the Camille issue - I know it's old news, but still it seemed that whatever Preston felt for Chantelle he didn't consider his girlfriend's feelings much. What about when he said - in front of Camille - "no comment" when Davina asked if he would date Chantelle if he did not have a girlfriend? That must have been very hurtful and humiliating. If he found Buzzcocks humiliating, he must have had a very slight taste of what his ex went through.

[GiRTh]

Preston was clearly unhappy from the get go. He hardly smiled through out the episode.

The sections that Simon read were as I recall ‘The Paris Hilton work was an unhappy time for me and it played havoc with my hair’ or something like that. It’s hardly Dickens now is it but I’ve read much worse writing It’s was not much of an insult.

What should he have done? Anything other than what he did. Perhaps, he should have said what everybody has been saying i.e. Take the pee out of me but keep my wife out of it. Anything other than walk out then have the indignity of the guests take the Mickey for the rest of the show.

[rachb]

Originally posted by Ruth
I think Simon Amstell is hilarious on that show. Far better than Mark Lamarr used to be.

About quoting from the book - I made this point earlier. If the book wasn't full of such vacant rubbish, there would have been nothing to laugh at. it's not Simon's fault that Chantelle's book is (in the opinion of a lot of people) rubbish. As you say there was obviously a joke to be had from it - but whose fault is that?

What should Preston have done? Maybe told Simon off in a mocking manner? Maybe given the kind of come-back that everyone else seemed capable of? If the show is as edited as you say, he would have had plenty of time to think up an appropriately funny response. Who is really to say what he should have done? He can do what he likes, but people are bound to have an opinion on it.

As I said earlier, I have heard Preston having a go about other 'celebs' - how come it's okay for him to do it, but not okay for someone to poke fun at him? Pot...kettle anyone?

Regarding the Camille issue - I know it's old news, but still it seemed that whatever Preston felt for Chantelle he didn't consider his girlfriend's feelings much. What about when he said - in front of Camille - "no comment" when Davina asked if he would date Chantelle if he did not have a girlfriend? That must have been very hurtful and humiliating. If he found Buzzcocks humiliating, he must have had a very slight taste of what his ex went through.

But again your views on the book are down to opinion,who was she hurting by writing abook about her BB experiences.Dean from BB2 did the same if people don't like the book they don't have to read it do they.The fact remains that if it was Preston's book then I agree it would have been right to include it.
Someone from the recording said that he politely asked for Simon to leave his wife out of it but he didn't which in my opinion shows a lack of respect.
Believe me over the last 12 months I've read more Preston interviews than I'd like to admit and I think have probably read every comment he's made about other 'celebs' most of them were usually as a result of them saying something first.The only one that comes to mind where that was not the case was Jordan & Peter Andre that for which he later apologised and said he was joking.
As for his ex and the no comment of course that was going to hurt her but that's between him and his ex and I don't see why if she's moved on everyone else can't.As I said before who knows how she felt.The relationship may not have been perfect before.I'm not saying he was right just that really it's none of my business.So unless one of us is actually Camille I don't see how we can say how she would have felt then or now watching Buzzcocks.
I'm in no way saying people shouldn't have an opinion on the subject they're bound to after the press it got.If they don't agree then fine but I'll still keep on trying

[Ruth]

She was hurting nobody. I have nothing against Chantelle personally, other than the fact that I really don't see what talent or intelligence she has which would make her deserving of all the adoration she receives. But hey, that's showbiz! For what it's worth though, I bet she didn't write that book herself.

As for Preston - I've always thought he takes himself too seriously, but again, that's down to personal opinion. I think his band are pretty rubbish, but that doesn't mean that everyone else does. I love music that other people probably think is awful. I'm not surprised that his record company were going to drop The Ordinary Boys before he went on BB, but then of course, everyone wanted to rush out and buy their stuff, so their contract was renewed.

As for Camille - the ONLY point I am making there is - Preston has badly humiliated her in the past, so he's a fine one to talk about people poking fun now. That's all. I've 'moved on' - I'm past caring what Preston and Chantelle do. But I do love Buzzcocks, which is the only reason I have the vaguest interest in preston in relation to the show. In fact, I'm the fool for wasting so much time talking about him on this thread, when I'm not even a fan.

[rachb]

Ok well fair points well made Ruth.
The book I believe she had help from the woman that used to write the BB books (Jean Ritchie) not that it makes any difference but a bit of random trivia there.She did though dictate everything in there (if you think thats a good thing or not) and so it was 'her own words' she had help with the arrangement of the book which is more than can be said for many celebrities writing who have no input into theirs some of who don't even read their own books.
As for talent well yeah she has the same talent that any ex bb person has really but there is going to be interest in her as an ex bb person.She's not around as much now anyway and certainly isn't continuing to milk it in ways that some of them do.
The Ordinary Boys music well as you say thats down to opinion again but they had a pretty big following before BB and have had comtinued chart success including a recent top 10,but having said that it's not going to mean everyone has to like it.

[secrets]

Preston knows what the Buzzcocks are about and as he is to precious to take any flack,he should,nt have been on the programme.
he really has made himself more of a prat.

[Princess]

I just have to say I argee with every single thing Rach said. I'm a massive Preston fan as I'm sure you all know. Rach and I are both members on a Prestelle fan.Rach is like SuperWoman over there I think we just stick there for Prestelle. We all feel the same

[chilledbootz]

It actually scares me that any woman on this forum wouldn't want their husband/boyfriend to do exactly the same thing that Preston did. i:e Calmly walking away and avoiding a verbal slanging match.

If any of your boyfriends think Preston was a prick/twat/idiot etc? I suggest you leave him now. He's clearly not good enough for you.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by chilledbootz
It actually scares me that any woman on this forum wouldn't want their husband/boyfriend to do exactly the same thing that Preston did. i:e Calmly walking away and avoiding a verbal slanging match.

If any of your boyfriends think Preston was a prick/twat/idiot etc? I suggest you leave him now. He's clearly not good enough for you.

Is it Chantelle or Camille he's kissing in that pic?

[Princess]

Originally posted by GRiT

Is it Chantelle or Camille he's kissing in that pic?

Its their wedding pic. Its obviuosly Chantelle.

[Lauren]

Just realised I haven't posted my thoughts on this.

Preston did the right thing, he has integrity and I'd like to think my future bf/husband would do the same if someone was clearly taking the pi** outta me on live television. Preston knew there was no point sticking up for Chantelle because the hosts would just continue with the mocking.
Obviously never mind the buzzcocks is there to take the mick out of their guests in a humorous way - but it was Preston that signed up to the show - not Chantelle. She should have been left well alone.

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by Lauren
Just realised I haven't posted my thoughts on this.

Preston did the right thing, he has integrity and I'd like to think my future bf/husband would do the same if someone was clearly taking the pi** outta me on live television. Preston knew there was no point sticking up for Chantelle because the hosts would just continue with the mocking.
Obviously never mind the buzzcocks is there to take the mick out of their guests in a humorous way - but it was Preston that signed up to the show - not Chantelle. She should have been left well alone.

Baloney!!!!