[Jack_]

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic

..they did though Jack..they had absolutely every right to hold someone in there who they were deeming to be a possible threat to the welfare of the other housemates...not for an indefinite period of time, no but until they felt he should leave the diary room and for his own safety as well...it's not someone acting with 'reason' to throw things around the way he did and break property..(as well as breaking the rules etc..)..he was a child, it was playground behaviour, it was tantrum behaviour and socially and within a group of people, one of whom he could have hurt, it was unacceptable behaviour...their responsibility is for the welfare of the housemates..that might be a bit dubious and inconsistent I know in terms of what Aubrey did and them allowing Bear to eat the sandwich and have his drink etc but it would be wrong to carry on in that vein and heck it all, let's put them all in potential danger....in a school he would very much be isolated for the behaviour that he displayed and this house atm is very much a school with childish/playground behaviour in almost every way...he had calmed and he had apologised..?...well that's not really for him to decide when he's calm enough or when he's apologised enough..he lost that privilege of deciding in the way he behaved, it's for BB to decide when they're ok with him to leave the DR....I can't recall who it was who threw something across the room once before and it could have hit another housemate..(it was a bottle or a can, I think..)...and we were all saying wow, that could have hit a housemate..behaviour like that is completely unacceptable, throwing things around in anger which could result in someone being hurt but at the very least, he destroyed property and very much should have been isolated and not on his terms to have decided when he was calm enough to be un-isolated...


..and if he had hurt someone, it would be like the Aubrey thing and why did BB allow this and why didn't they intervene and why did they allow him to leave the DR just because he was anxious to leave...they've been wrong I think personally with some of their decisions but carrying on being wrong would just be careless neglect...(of those darn children..)...

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..they did though Jack..they had absolutely every right to hold someone in there who they were deeming to be a possible threat to the welfare of the other housemates...not for an indefinite period of time, no but until they felt he should leave the diary room and for his own safety as well...it's not someone acting with 'reason' to throw things around the way he did and break property..(as well as breaking the rules etc..)..he was a child, it was playground behaviour, it was tantrum behaviour and socially and within a group of people, one of whom he could have hurt, it was unacceptable behaviour...their responsibility is for the welfare of the housemates..that might be a bit dubious and inconsistent I know in terms of what Aubrey did and them allowing Bear to eat the sandwich and have his drink etc but it would be wrong to carry on in that vein and heck it all, let's put them all in potential danger....in a school he would very much be isolated for the behaviour that he displayed and this house atm is very much a school with childish/playground behaviour in almost every way...he had calmed and he had apologised..?...well that's not really for him to decide when he's calm enough or when he's apologised enough..he lost that privilege of deciding in the way he behaved, it's for BB to decide when they're ok with him to leave the DR....I can't recall who it was who threw something across the room once before and it could have hit another housemate..(it was a bottle or a can, I think..)...and we were all saying wow, that could have hit a housemate..behaviour like that is completely unacceptable, throwing things around in anger which could result in someone being hurt but at the very least, he destroyed property and very much should have been isolated and not on his terms to have decided when he was calm enough to be un-isolated...


..and if he had hurt someone, it would be like the Aubrey thing and why did BB allow this and why didn't they intervene and why did they allow him to leave the DR just because he was anxious to leave...they've been wrong I think personally with some of their decisions but carrying on being wrong would just be careless neglect...(of those darn children..)...

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..they did though Jack..they had absolutely every right to hold someone in there who they were deeming to be a possible threat to the welfare of the other housemates...not for an indefinite period of time, no but until they felt he should leave the diary room and for his own safety as well...it's not someone acting with 'reason' to throw things around the way he did and break property..(as well as breaking the rules etc..)..he was a child, it was playground behaviour, it was tantrum behaviour and socially and within a group of people, one of whom he could have hurt, it was unacceptable behaviour...their responsibility is for the welfare of the housemates..that might be a bit dubious and inconsistent I know in terms of what Aubrey did and them allowing Bear to eat the sandwich and have his drink etc but it would be wrong to carry on in that vein and heck it all, let's put them all in potential danger....in a school he would very much be isolated for the behaviour that he displayed and this house atm is very much a school with childish/playground behaviour in almost every way...he had calmed and he had apologised..?...well that's not really for him to decide when he's calm enough or when he's apologised enough..he lost that privilege of deciding in the way he behaved, it's for BB to decide when they're ok with him to leave the DR....I can't recall who it was who threw something across the room once before and it could have hit another housemate..(it was a bottle or a can, I think..)...and we were all saying wow, that could have hit a housemate..behaviour like that is completely unacceptable, throwing things around in anger which could result in someone being hurt but at the very least, he destroyed property and very much should have been isolated and not on his terms to have decided when he was calm enough to be un-isolated...


..and if he had hurt someone, it would be like the Aubrey thing and why did BB allow this and why didn't they intervene and why did they allow him to leave the DR just because he was anxious to leave...they've been wrong I think personally with some of their decisions but carrying on being wrong would just be careless neglect...(of those darn children..)...

all of this.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

There's a few parts to this.

Heavy was wrong to call Bear out for 'shouting' when he wasn't. It's the Big Brother house, get over it.

Bear was wrong to try and intimidate Heavy by putting his foot on his bed. He was also wrong to throw the glass against the window.

But I can sympathise with the DR reaction, they have no right to hold someone in a room against their will for an indefinite period of time and given that he had calmed down and apologised I saw no reason why they couldn't have allowed him back into the house until the spare room had been set up. I certainly wouldn't react very well to being held in such a small room either, and I'm not even claustrophobic

Absolutely right again.

They virtually imprisoned him in the diary room with no time given at all as to how long he would be in there.
That is wrong full stop.

In other BB series, they have asked if they wanted another housemate to come and sit with them in the diary room, they did not do so here,despite him saying he wanted the door unlocked,
It was BB who actually inflamed his tensions again by doing that,

Since it was around bedtime, they could have insisted all housemates went in the bedroom,leaving Bear able to go elsewhere, garden or house until the room was set up.

I think they handled this disgracefully,while it is true the diary room is locked, it is a fact that once a housemate wants to leave it, they can.
This was not so in this case and as I said, for that period BB virtually imprisoned him in the diary room, totally out of order.

Furthermore a point missed, yes he threw an object that broke a mirror,he did that after actually walking away from the argument and conflict to go and be on his own n the garden.
He was furious obviously, and unfortunately had he not thrown that object, or had it just gone in the pool or landed safely elsewhere.
he would have then looked the bigger person of 2 aggressive people between him and Heavy D.

If I took someone and locked them in small room 'against their will for' any period of time,I could be done for false imprisonment.
That is exactly what BB did to Bear and if I was him, I would be looking at possible legal issues here against BB.

He is a wind up merchant, he can be annoying massively, he can be difficult, however he is getting all the blame in my view, for the pathetic green eyed monster coming out in Heavy D, and Heavy D being fully intent on causing some major incident with Bear last night.

BB is handling things very badly this series so far,however locking someone in a room against their will and also allowing food to be tampered with and then still eaten too,should be non existent situations.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Absolutely right again.

They virtually imprisoned him in the diary room with no time given at all as to how long he would be in there.
That is wrong full stop.

In other BB series, they have asked if they wanted another housemate to come and sit with them in the diary room, they did not do so here,despite him saying he wanted the door unlocked,
It was BB who actually inflamed his tensions again by doing that,

Since it was around bedtime, they could have insisted all housemates went in the bedroom,leaving bear able to go eleswhere, garden or house until the room was set up.

I think they handled this disgracefully,wile it is true the diary room is locked it is a fact that once a housemate wants to leave it, they can.
This was not so in this case and as I said, for that period BB virtually imprisoned him in the diary room, totally out of order.

Furthermore a point missed, yes he threw an object that broke a mirror,he did that after actually walking away from the argument and conflict to go and be on his own n the garden.
He was furious obviously, and unfortunately had he not thrown that object, or had it just gone in the pool or landed safely elsewhere.
he would have then looked the bigger person of 2 aggressive people between him and Heavy D.

If I took someone and locked them in small room 'against their will for' any period of time,I could be done for false imprisonment.
That is exactly what BB did to Bear and if I was him, I would be looking at possible legal issues here against BB.

He is a wind up merchant, he can be annoying massively, he can be difficult, however he is getting all the blame in my view, for the pathetic green eyed monster coming out in Heavy D, and Heavy D being fully intent on causing some major incident with Bear last night.

BB is handling things very badly this series so far,however locking someone in a room against their will and also allowing food to be tampered with and then still eaten too,should be non existent situations.

Can't argue with that

[Mystic Mock]

Heavy D should've got a warning for getting up in Bear's face.

But Bear's behaviour (like Aubrey's yesterday) would've been enough to see me eject both Housemates if I was the showrunner of BB.

[Parmy]

Luckily for audrey most of the forum have forgotten her direct threat tonight, not me though.

Shes the only one deserving of being ejected.

[smudgie]

The security fella took care of any constipation Bear was suffering from.
He went from full of poo to pooing himself in 3 seconds flat

[hot2go]

Compared to Heavy D and Aubrey what Bear did was not anywhere near as bad. He directed his anger at himself, the other two directed their acts of violence against another person. He obv didn't mean to break the glass but Heavy def meant to threaten him last night and Aubrey def intended to spit in his food yesterday.
So few people thought Aubrey was wrong and yet they're all here saying Bear is. He's not even close to being the worst person in that house. Most of em aren't nice people and most of those are in the top of the poll on here.

[Liam-]

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

Exactly!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Claustrophobic my backside, the only thing Bear is scared of is not being the center of attention... and the big bugger on the other side of that door obviously.

It's staggering the lengths people will go to to defend someone like Bear and his actions, it's never their fault, no no, someone has clearly made them behave like a drunken thug down Caroline Street on a Saturday night, Bear behaved like an aggressive, obnoxious, out of control thug, because that's what he is.

I am not claustrophobic but I would react very strongly indeed to being put in a room, behind a locked door against my will or right, no one else there and no time frame as to how long I would be in there too.

It is not defending someone to point out a wrong as to the wrong from the other sides too.
People are usually taken to the diary room to calm down, not be aggravated further.

There are many other ways Bear could have been handled instead of locking him in the diary room.
Someone from security or another housemate he was closer too could have sat with him as has been the case with other wound up housemates.

He wasn't a perceived risk to anyone,he threw something that was all with no one else around anywhere where he was.
In fact he was the one who had actually walked away from the aggression and argument in the bedroom, to be on his own anyway.
However not to be on his own and then being 'forced' to be behind a locked door.

I think anyone would react very badly to that to be honest,and I know I certainly would.

[Absorption]

People are being a bit hard on Bear here.

Actually, it's the producers' fault for their bad editing.

What they cut out was Bear rescuing some starving orphans who'd wandered into the BB garden. He threw the cup to try and make a hole in the wall to hasten their exit to safety, as he knew how long it would take for BB to open the door.

Naturally, CGI was used to remove any trace of the poor kids from the footage screened in last night's show.

Don't believe me? Well, think on this...why have they removed all references to him defeating ISIS? Yep, exactly...total bias.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Absorption

People are being a bit hard on Bear here.

Actually, it's the producers' fault for their bad editing.

What they cut out was Bear rescuing some starving orphans who'd wandered into the BB garden. He threw the cup to try and make a hole in the wall to hasten their exit to safety, as he knew how long it would take for BB to open the door.

Naturally, CGI was used to remove any trace of the poor kids from the footage screened in last night's show.

Don't believe me? Well, think on this...why have they removed all references to him defeating ISIS? Yep, exactly...total bias.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Absorption

People are being a bit hard on Bear here.

Actually, it's the producers' fault for their bad editing.

What they cut out was Bear rescuing some starving orphans who'd wandered into the BB garden. He threw the cup to try and make a hole in the wall to hasten their exit to safety, as he knew how long it would take for BB to open the door.

Naturally, CGI was used to remove any trace of the poor kids from the footage screened in last night's show.

Don't believe me? Well, think on this...why have they removed all references to him defeating ISIS? Yep, exactly...total bias.

[chuff me dizzy]

D was the most scary of the 2,he got out of bed and faced up to Bear ( who didn't even blink,he kept his cool so well ) admitted Bear shouldn't have broken the mirror,but IMO D was the most aggressive

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

D was the most scary of the 2,he got out of bed and faced up to Bear ( who didn't even blink,he kept his cool so well ) admitted Bear shouldn't have broken the mirror,but IMO D was the most aggressive

He was but for him this incident would not likely have happened
Spot on Chuff.

Yet Heavy D gets way with it all despite his possible sort of unnatural obsession as to a younger female.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

D was the most scary of the 2,he got out of bed and faced up to Bear ( who didn't even blink,he kept his cool so well ) admitted Bear shouldn't have broken the mirror,but IMO D was the most aggressive

Bear was just pressing Heavys buttons....Heavy D chose to react with violence just like Aubrey did the day before.
Bear lost his temper when he was alone and walking away from the drama and and he lost his temper when he was alone and locked up against his will in the diary room. That's the big difference....Bear didn't commit an act of violence to another housemate like Aubrey and Heavy did.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by ThriceShy

How is he getting a warning and being forced to sleep in some separate room while Heavy D just wanders back to bed?

And what right do BB have to lock him in the diary room? It must go against fire regulations if nothing else. If they did that to me I would set the chair on fire.

And the "security" make me laugh. Would love to see how they behaved if Mike Tyson went on BB and kicked off in the diary room.

Bear is going to win this after the way he has been treated.

are you watching

[Livia]

If anyone ever wonders why trial by jury is flawed, they should read this thread.

When Bear walked into the bedroom and started shouting the odds, Heavy D went off on him, telling him him to shut up because people were sleeping. Had Bear walked away it would have been over. But he didn't. He walked up to Heavy D's bed, sat on his bedside cabinet and put his foot on Heavy's bed, knowing that he was already angry. It was a calculated action meant to antagonise, and it did.

Bear smashed a mirror in the garden and he acted like a twat in the diary room - until someone bigger turned up, then he couldn't have been more co-operative.

I'm really struggling to see how Bear has any support whatsoever. I really don't like Heavy D either, but Bear was completely in the wrong last night and BB would have been totally within their rights to have expelled him.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Livia

If anyone ever wonders why trial by jury is flawed, they should read this thread.

When Bear walked into the bedroom and started shouting the odds, Heavy D went off on him, telling him him to shut up because people were sleeping. Had Bear walked away it would have been over. But he didn't. He walked up to Heavy D's bed, sat on his bedside cabinet and put his foot on Heavy's bed, knowing that he was already angry. It was a calculated action meant to antagonise, and it did.

Bear smashed a mirror in the garden and he acted like a twat in the diary room - until someone bigger turned up, then he couldn't have been more co-operative.

I'm really struggling to see how Bear has any support whatsoever. I really don't like Heavy D either, but Bear was completely in the wrong last night and BB would have been totally within their rights to have expelled him.

Spot on Livia...

They are both trash but Bear instigated the incident last night. It was deliberate and he deserved all he got.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Spot on Livis.

They are both trash but Bear instigated the incident last night. It was deliberate and he deserved all he got.

Oh God... that bit when the security guard appeared... I watched it again on +1 and I'm considering watching it tonight on +24. It was the most amusing thing I've ever seen happen to anyone on BB. Definitely my moment of the series.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh God... that bit when the security guard appeared... I watched it again on +1 and I'm considering watching it tonight on +24. It was the most amusing thing I've ever seen happen to anyone on BB. Definitely my moment of the series.

I've watched it again this morning...I think it's one of the funniest scenes ever...its only funny because he thinks he is so hard..

[Livia]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I've watched it again this morning...I think it's one of the funniest scenes ever...its only funny because he thinks he is so hard..

Ahhh it's not just me then! Isn't it always the same with people like that? Front them up and they crumble.