[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What about the white visitors to Saville or are they not allowed

They are allowed by British law, but not welcome in reality.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What about the white visitors to Saville or are they not allowed

I thought it was a no go area...tough place to go just for an ice cream.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Why would a little boy feel intimidated buying an ice cream from a lady dressed the same as his mother and other females in his circle?

I said I thought the person selling the ice cream looked intimidating, not necessarily that the child buying the ice cream thought so.

Of course I know she is oppressed and possibly might not mean to intimidate a teacup but a costume in all black with the eyes showing does look quite intimidating. Specially if the ice cream van, which is a business after all, gets around to streets where her outfit isn't the norm.

[arista]

"Even the lady selling ice cream from a van during the summer wears a burka?"


Shhhhhhhh. Kirk
The Italians Rossi Corp
Pay her far less than the minimum wage

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

"Even the lady selling ice cream from a van during the summer wears a burka?"


Shhhhhhhh. Kirk
The Italians Rossi Corp
Pay her far less than the minimum wage

[Niamh.]

Stop getting personal with eachother...........blah blah..broken record etc etc

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Stop getting personal with eachother...........blah blah..broken record etc etc

Spoiler:

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

Spoiler:

The REAL 'fuzz' is back.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i see a bronze aged superstition that does not belong in this country

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i see a bronze aged superstition that does not belong in this country

You could say that about many religions.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You could say that about many religions.

But we are NOT discussing other religions, we are discussing a Muslim ice cream vendor in a niqab.

And No other religion compels its females to completely cover themselves up in this frankly hideous and intimidating fashion. To my knowledge anyway.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But we are NOT discussing other religions, we are discussing a Muslim ice cream vendor in a niqab.

And No other religion compels its females to completely cover themselves up in this frankly hideous and intimidating fashion. To my knowledge anyway.

It's not religious, it's cultural.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not religious, it's cultural.

Really?

[Quran 24:31] And tell the believing women to subdue their eyes, and maintain their chastity. They shall not reveal any parts of their bodies, except that which is necessary. They shall cover their chests, (with their Khimar) and shall not relax this code in the presence of other than their husbands, their fathers, the fathers of their husbands, their sons, the sons of their husbands, their brothers, the sons of their brothers, the sons of their sisters, other women, the male servants or employees whose sexual drive has been nullified, or the children who have not reached puberty. They shall not strike their feet when they walk in order to shake and reveal certain details of their bodies. All of you shall repent to God, O you believers, that you may succeed.

[Quran 33:59] O prophet, tell your wives, your daughters, and the wives of the believers that they shall LENGTHEN their garments. Thus, they will be recognized and avoid being insulted. God is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

Yes - the covering of a woman's body has evolved culturally into the custom of wearing the Niqab, but the original 'commands' are in the Qu'ran and you cannot get any more 'religious' than that.

Not in the REAL world which I inhabit anyway.

[Niamh.]

I'm closing this thread the next time things get personal/you all start insulting eachother again

[Kizzy]

You just made that up. :laugh - Just like you did this below:

"There are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over, they are being addressed from within those communities,

You don't feel there are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over then?.. What about FGM?

You haven't destroyed my point at all I stated it was all about conditioning and it is, you have confused yourself. I will continue to have as many words as I like, if I wish to counter points with links, comments or slides of my holiday in Bognor...I will.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You just made that up. :laugh - Just like you did this below:

"There are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over, they are being addressed from within those communities,

You don't feel there are cultural issues that affect women predominantly the world over then?.. What about FGM?

Of course there are, but this is irrelevant in the context of my post.

We were discussing ONE issue - whether some Muslim women are 'CONDITIONED' into wearing the Niqab .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Of course there are, but this is irrelevant in the context of my post.

We were discussing ONE issue - whether some Muslim women are 'CONDITIONED' into wearing the Niqab .

Check the edit and you'll see your mistake.

[Livia]

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

[jennyjuniper]

Originally Posted by Livia

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

Well said Livia. I'm old and grumpy enough to not give a flying f... if anything I say is considered racist.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Livia

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

Brilliant post Livia!

Also all this PC and integration stuff is all fine and dandy in theory but it has one fatal flaw... Muslims are taught very early on NOT to integrate so it doesn't matter what the government puts in place to help integration it cannot work if they do NOT want to integrate.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

Soooo right.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

The fact that there are people on this thread who think that Muslims taking over a whole area and telling a British person "go away and don't come back, you shouldn't be here" is perfectly fine is the reason that people voted Brexit and the reason that people voted Trump. I'm so tired of it being insinuated that people are racist, conditioned or any other silly word used by the Left to push their own agenda.

Like I said before, well done The Left, Trump's victory is yours.

Don't you come from Newham? there are pockets of social deprivation everywhere that have a concentration of BAME groups aren't there?
There are also traditionally white areas that are considered 'no go' too, so your argument has several flaws, it's not a specifically Muslim issue.

Anyone who tries to lay blame for their own bigotry at the door of another is a whole level of sad.
The reason there was brexit and trump won is people are desperate for change, they wanted to save the NHS and what happened? We got brexit and the govt sold Branson Bath and Somerset childrens and adult mental health services!... that is not what we wanted, many voted as they appealed to the 'lefty' in us and were duped.
In America Trump won because Hilary did not offer enough of a change, Sanders would have been a better candidate against Trump, there would be a clearer divide.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Don't you come from Newham? there are pockets of social deprivation everywhere that have a concentration of BAME groups aren't there?
There are also traditionally white areas that are considered 'no go' too, so your argument has several flaws, it's not a specifically Muslim issue.

Anyone who tries to lay blame for their own bigotry at the door of another is a whole level of sad.
The reason there was brexit and trump won is people are desperate for change, they wanted to save the NHS and what happened? We got brexit and the govt sold Branson Bath and Somerset childrens and adult mental health services!... that is not what we wanted, many voted as they appealed to the 'lefty' in us and were duped.
In America Trump won because Hilary did not offer enough of a change, Sanders would have been a better candidate against Trump, there would be a clearer divide.

I despair! We all know the main reason so many voted for Brexit and Trump was because of migration. Deny it all you want- it is exactly that attitude that led to the meltdown in the first place.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I despair! We all know the main reason so many voted for Brexit and Trump was because of migration. Deny it all you want- it is exactly that attitude that led to the meltdown in the first place.

wrong but you keep burying your head in the sand see wear it gets you

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by the truth

wrong but you keep burying your head in the sand see wear it gets you

Not me burying my head in anything - just stating the obvious.