[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ok, now back to the fact the govt made it so referendums are not binding, what could that mean do you think?

Do you have any idea how tedious it gets when you try to get this silly non-debates rolling with me?

I'll give you a clue. ****ing tedious.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

No keep your Rudder away from our ship

I'll try Arista.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i fear that this baby is coming out...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Do you have any idea how tedious it gets when you try to get this silly non-debates rolling with me?

I'll give you a clue. ****ing tedious.

I asked a question and you called me a remoaner, I'm the injured party here.

[Northern Monkey]

It's honestly nothing to worry about.No serious politician would want to be seen voting against the will of the people.They won't block it.They would become very unpopular indeed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It's honestly nothing to worry about.No serious politician would want to be seen voting against the will of the people.They won't block it.They would become very unpopular indeed.

what about endlessly delay it?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what about endlessly delay it?

How?If the government give parliament a vote on triggering article 50 then they'll have to vote on it.The majority won't vote against it.Job done.

[kirklancaster]

I SERIOUSLY believe that it would bring some negative people the greatest pleasure to see the UK in smouldering tatters and completely permanently destroyed as a country.

Where would all the 5 million 'Economic Migrants' go then?

What would happen to all those on benefits?

What would happen to the millions of sick and needy?

This country is not perfect but it is better than any other that I can think of.

True Democracy is impossible in its purest sense, but OUR form of Democracy ain't at all bad.

The REFERENDUM result was the Vox Populi - the VOICE and WILL of the people - learn to live with it.

[Kizzy]

Since when did a government care about the will of the people? If they wanted it stopped, it would be stopped.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I SERIOUSLY believe that it would bring some negative people the greatest pleasure to see the UK in smouldering tatters and completely permanently destroyed as a country.

Where would all the 5 million 'Economic Migrants' go then?

What would happen to all those on benefits?

What would happen to the millions of sick and needy?

This country is not perfect but it is better than any other that I can think of.

True Democracy is impossible in its purest sense, but OUR form of Democracy ain't at all bad.

The REFERENDUM result was the Vox Populi - the VOICE and WILL of the people - learn to live with it.

Looks like that's the way it's going now thanks to the 'will of the people'

Thanks peeps!

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Looks like that's the way it's going now thanks to the 'will of the people'

Thanks peeps!

Boy - the amount of members on here with Divine Insight - 'tis miraculous.

Do you fancy a REAL wager on the outcome of the result of this nonsense?

Ł100 proofed on here as a donation to any Charity of your choice from the loser.

I wager that NOTHING comes of it and Brexit remains 'On Course'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

incorrect you seem to be using this important news story to try and show people that somehow voting for Brexit was "wrong" (and how you...told em so)



Lets stick to the news at hand rather than branding half the electorate as fools

Your words not mine...

I 'seem to be'? Take your supposition LT, I don't need it thanks.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Boy - the amount of members on here with Divine Insight - 'tis miraculous.

Do you fancy a REAL wager on the outcome of the result of this nonsense?

Ł100 proofed on here as a donation to any Charity of your choice from the loser.

I wager that NOTHING comes of it and Brexit remains 'On Course'.

Again just having my say, you don't have to like it or agree, tis not necessary.

[UserSince2005]

#DeathToGinaMiller

[arista]

The Appeal
can get it back to normal Kizzy

[joeysteele]

Not going over the whole sorry mess that was the campaign as to the EU from both sides but since a lot of it was about returning full powers back to the UK parliament,I am mystified at ....

Why this govt fears votes from MPs,why too does anyone particularly those who voted to leave fear any possible and much more highly unlikely new referendum, 'if' that is, they really know and believe the voters are still with them as to leaving the EU.

However, the referendum was voted for by all MPs, there was a Nationwide campaign by all MPs and parties from Westminster.
Whatever shape leaving takes, then why is this a govt issue only, the leaving terms and deal will affect the UK for the future totally, it will affect all future governments too.
Why couldn't this govt, make this a national negotiated deal with active representatives from all parties elected to Westminster.

No one then could say this was a bad deal or wrong deal but to just keep everyone in the dark save government Ministers, is dubious at best and wrong overall.
In my opinion.

Plan with all parties, properly consult, not pay just lip service and then bring forward the agreed date for all MPs to vote as to triggering article 50.
With a final vote on the deal concluded.
Why make this important decision so hard to head into by demanding to do it all by themselves,this govt could under Theresa May have made a massive step to uniting not only Parliament on this but also the UK as a whole, as best it could be.

Also the EU seeing a totally united UK parliament with all included may then just look to possibly being that bit more amiable too.

Failing all that, yes, have a general election, lets see what the voters and the new voters who have turned 18 since the EU vote, want as to the leaving deal.
The Lib Dems would likely campaign on remaining in the EU.
UKIP and the Conservatives would be going for a harder leaving deal.
Labour would be probably going for a softer leaving deal.

Why even fear an election on that issue, let's get not only the decision to leave out the way by the voters as we did in June,also now however get how the voters 'really want' the UK to leave the EU too.

If the overall view of the voters really does remain as it was on June 23rd, then any voting on the issue should not worry anyone at all, no matter how they voted.
Then, UK voters would then too get the leaving deal they asked and voted for at that time too.
What is to fear at all as to that.

Parliament wastes loads of time and has endless votes on trifling things, this issue is the biggest issue in over half a century at least.
So of course much more clarity and solid voting by all MPs in parliament is necessary.
It is a mystery to me why this govt and Prime Minister ever wanted to deny that.

I hope the appeal gets upheld in the Supreme court.
An arrogant dismissive govt, again just my opinion, is not going to be any better than the EU was in the end.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Youtube video

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again just having my say, you don't have to like it or agree, tis not necessary.

Why post this? I NEVER said anything about "having to like it or agree" but once again Kizzy, your response has got NOTHING to do with the context of the post you are responding to.

Nice deflection. NOT.

[Denver]

this country will enter civil war as there will be riots and all sorts that will not be able to be handled

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Livia

Actually, their job is to represent their constituents in Parliament.

You will never see a positive out of Brexit because you don't choose to. Your mind is made up and nothing will change that, it's clear.

An election result cannot be overturned because you don't like it.

Actually I'm more than prepared to consider the positives but, as I said, I am yet to come across any. Tell me the positives!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Actually I'm more than prepared to consider the positives but, as I said, I am yet to come across any. Tell me the positives!

some positives according to the indie

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7104016.html

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Why post this? I NEVER said anything about "having to like it or agree" but once again Kizzy, your response has got NOTHING to do with the context of the post you are responding to.

Nice deflection. NOT.

Well I don't have divine insight , I thought that was obvious, kind of goes without saying, what I do have though the next best thing...an opinion.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Rob!

Actually I'm more than prepared to consider the positives but, as I said, I am yet to come across any. Tell me the positives!

The falling pound is good for exporters and the tourism industry and people who are paid in dollars like me.

Most of the positive will be apparent after we actually leave, your need for proofs is premature as nothing has really happened yet.

We can then have a fishing industry again, we won't have to abide by EU quotas that cause overfishing in our waters by boats from other countries. We can stop this which is better for our environment.

We can have control over our laws. We can make our own decisions. We won't have to pay a hefty EU bill. We can trade more easily with countries outside the EU. Etc.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

The falling pound is good for exporters and the tourism industry and people who are paid in dollars like me.

Most of the positive will be apparent after we actually leave, your need for proofs is premature as nothing has really happened yet.

We can then have a fishing industry again, we won't have to abide by EU quotas that cause overfishing in our waters by boats from other countries. We can stop this which is better for our environment.

We can have control over our laws. We can make our own decisions. We won't have to pay a hefty EU bill. We can trade more easily with countries outside the EU. Etc.

Oh well as long as you're ok...

[Kizzy]

'The Prime Minister was trying to “reverse the result of the English Civil War” when she sought to use the power of the Queen to begin the process of leaving the European Union, according to a leading constitutional lawyer.

Theresa May wants to trigger Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty by invoking the Royal Prerogative – the power of the monarch vested in the Prime Minister. While the High Court ruled this would be illegal, the Government now plans to appeal to the Supreme Court.

But Geoffrey Robertson QC said this showed how “ignorant” Ms May and Attorney General Jeremy Wright QC were of the UK’s constitutional requirements, adding that the confusion added to the case for creating a formal written constitution.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7395586.html