[mansi]

^ ....nodish honestly who are you exactly....someone from jades PR team or a diehard fan of jade?

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

Didn't cover what, GiRTh
I can't understand that! That is what longer posts are about. More explanatory.?

You made the original comment 'There was a lot to cover'. If you can't understand your own posts then how do you expect us to? I was asuming that you didn't cover the issue as you never do. Instead you just so=pout the same garbage.

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Jade Goody knows what?

She knows about Eskimos. Big Brother told her in the diary room.
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Waffle. Again. It was a very crude attempt to mimic your 'style' of writing. What a surprise you didn't pick up on it. You were too busy cutting and pasting the same garbage to post.

I didn't say that I worship & adore you.

I didn't say that I worship & adore Jade Goody. (no need to be scared)

I was talking actually about the editing of the BB show and covering Jo, Jade & Danielle.

I am more of an angel than you think.

nodisharmony to all the housemates.

I also say that I don't wish for an investigation of Endemol and have also said previously that I look forward to Big Brother 8 and hope that there is less scrutiny and that we can all enjoy it
If you read my posts instead of scrutinizing them in a bad light and looking for racial-over-tones, which is more about paranoia than actual fact..

Mainly waffe, again. But i must say I wouldn't find racial undertones in your posts if they weren't there. Perhaps you need to adress that, not me. Shall we talk racism again? Let's do that. Shall I start a thread? And you and me can discuss racism. I'm game if you are.
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In answer to your last question GiRTh, is, that I have stated what Endemol are very clear on.

They will never allow any housemate to be racist on the Big Brother show.

It is part of the rules. (Do you say that I am wrong?)

Secondly, if the housemates started making "overtly sexist remarks", I am not aware of how the editors of Big Brother would deal with this
I would imagine that they would use their discression and birdwistle out what they think is over the top.

But, at the same time, scandal brings in the ratings.

Remember Pete Burns & Jodi Marsh?

Hardly a relationship made in heaven?

Jo, Jade & Danielle vs Shilpa is also four people in a bad situation.?

You seem incalpable of writing more three words without waffling. But again you haven't answered the question - Why do you think that racist and sexist remarks should be 'whistled out'.
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Regarding the last question, regarding Part-Time racism or Part-Time sexism.

If somebody lost it on CBB and came out with comments that were racist on that show, then naturally, they should have been edited out

This I have already said..

Why? If somebody makes a fool of themself why should hte show protect them?

However, as there was no racism on the show, whether part-time or full-time, it doesn't apply here.

The words were only offensive, however, to many people, they did come over and were construed as having racial-over-tones.

Jade Goody said this in interviews and was aware that what she said, could sound like this and understood that part.

But, the "Sexist" part or the "Part-Time Sexist", I can't really comment on, as this doesn't apply to this topic or CBB in January
Were you talking about a previous BB or CBB GiRTh?

All the best, nodisharmony

p/s, no need for the hostility...Let's debate this subject instead..

Waffle. What are you trying to say among the garbage.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi
^ ....nodish honestly who are you exactly....someone from jades PR team or a diehard fan of jade?

Hi Mansi,

I know you are not too keen on me, but, I actually prefer to stay invisible, regarding who I am.

I never ask anybody who they are or what they do in real life. It is politer to just debate and make the best job I can, by leaving no stone unturned.

I am glad that Shilpa Shetty has so many fans and she was so nice in the Big Brother house, at least, what I saw in the edited footage.

I have nothing against anybody who supports someone and I haven't a bad word to say about any housemate.

There was bad behavior and I accept that many will be horrified and offended, but I still think it is unfair to judge people, in general, just be edited footage.

All the best, nodisharmony

[mansi]

^I don't either...you're the first person on this site i've asked...the reason I ask is i'm curious how someone could have the time to write up essays and debate against almost everyone that says something about jade?.....and you don't have to add in "edited", it's fine if you say footage.....I don't have a problem either against someone supporting someone but I feel you're a bit too supportive... and what's with "All the best, nodisharmony" at the end of every post of yours?...

[Mrluvaluva]

The ever elusive nodis! The masked crusader! lol

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by mansi
^I don't either...you're the first person on this site i've asked...the reason I ask is i'm curious how someone could have the time to write up essays and debate against almost everyone that says something about jade?.....and you don't have to add in "edited", it's fine if you say footage.....I don't have a problem either against someone supporting someone but I feel you're a bit too supportive... and what's with "All the best, nodisharmony" at the end of every post of yours?...

I notice that some supporters do very little to defend the person that they choose to defend or support.

I am going into this, head-first

Making sure that all the angles are covered.

This is a very serious situation, which these girl's find themselves in Mansi.

Nobody is going to be popular supporting these three girls, especially Jade Goody, who is not going to win any popularity contests anyway.
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I use the word, "edited" a lot, as it is the main problem with this situation. Sorry if you don't like it. But this is what gets mentioned, time & time again in the Newspapers and in the mags.

Especially with the CPS's investigation and also, any further investigation.
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The, "All the best & " is just something I am doing, to make it more friendly.

Nothing personal. As most of the time, it seems like War.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh

You made the original comment 'There was a lot to cover'. If you can't understand your own posts then how do you expect us to? I was asuming that you didn't cover the issue as you never do. Instead you just so=pout the same garbage.

Waffle. Again. It was a very crude attempt to mimic your 'style' of writing. What a surprise you didn't pick up on it. You were too busy cutting and pasting the same garbage to post.

Mainly waffe, again. But i must say I wouldn't find racial undertones in your posts if they weren't there. Perhaps you need to adress that, not me. Shall we talk racism again? Let's do that. Shall I start a thread? And you and me can discuss racism. I'm game if you are.
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You seem incalpable of writing more three words without waffling. But again you haven't answered the question - Why do you think that racist and sexist remarks should be 'whistled out'.
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Why? If somebody makes a fool of themself why should hte show protect them?

Waffle. What are you trying to say among the garbage.

Hi GiRTh,

The quote:- "There was a lot to cover" was out of a paragraph.

I would never just say that! All the info to that quote, will be within the paragraph from which it was taken.

Everything else should be self explanatory.
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What style of writing? Am I mimicking??

I don't cut & paste, unless it's from an article in a Newspaper.

It would be impossible to do this, as I don't know what question I am going to be asked.

It's not my style and never has been.
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You say, "Racial-Undertones?" I would say that it is "Racial-Overtones", not that important really!! (The wording, that is)

I am not interested in debating racism on a separate thread really. It is more interesting and vital too, to debate CBB Jan. and what happened in there and the aftermath of the show.

This is no longer a game. It is real life and these three girl's need real help and real understanding.
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You ask me:- "Why do you think that racist and sexist remarks should be bird-whistled out?"

The answer is simple,

If Endemol's editors have watched a segment of the show, where a couple of housemates are saying offensive remarks in a conversation, which would probably be heated, or, behind that person's back.

Then, it would be a very clear and consise decision by the editors, to decide which words and comments need editing out.

There are other factors to consider too:-

1) Are these words or comments within a private & personal conversation between two housemates, whereby, they may be talking about somebody who is not a house-mate, but is just their opinion, in the form of "gossip".

These comments cannot be proven necassarily, but, it is not something that Big Brother really wants to make public.

It is better to edit it all out.

If, during that conversation, a racial or sexual sounding remark was there, then it would be a prudent judgement to remove that remark, within that particular conversation.

2) The words or comments may be right in the middle of a big fall-out, just like with the Shilpa vs the three girl's incident.
If these words or comments, were within this big fall-out, then it may be deemed a good judgement call, to keep certain parts or words in, for all of us to see and hear?

I don't believe that is a good decision, with the Shilpa vs the girls incident, as it has caused such concern and offence.

But, I am not the one, making those judgement calls.

3) The words or comments are within a big argument, just like the Jade-Goody vs Shilpa argument, where Jo & Danielle were all instrumental in.

Within this case, once again, it would be better to look at each and every word and if there was something really bad, then it is a prudent decision for the editors to make in that circumstance, and edit-out.

Profits & ratings could rise, but keeping the argument interesting.

Davina McCall said that the argument was un-cut.

I would have still prefered more editing, especially where tempers were flaring and words could have been birdwistled for a less offensive view of the argument.

4) The words or comments are totally on there own and not part of anything, just in the spare of the moment.

Definate editing out and perhaps a warning in the Diary Room, or total expulsion from the BB house.

The Endemol editors are the police in the house and have to make the right judgement call at the right time.
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You ask me:- "Why should the show protect them, if they act foolish?"

It comes down to (how foolish) and other stuff, which you already know


All the best, nodisharmony

[Sunny_01]

I think the point that most people are trying to make is that you never really answer anything! you just skirt issues Nodis.

Why say something in 3,000 words that you could probably say in 30! I would much rather be succinct and to the point

Oh and if you are being pedantic about the spelling of noone then maybe you should spell check your posts and check the spelling of the word sentence!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony
Hi GiRTh,

The quote:- "There was a lot to cover" was out of a paragraph.

I would never just say that! All the info to that quote, will be within the paragraph from which it was taken.

Everything else should be self explanatory.
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What style of writing? Am I mimicking??

I don't cut & paste, unless it's from an article in a Newspaper.

It would be impossible to do this, as I don't know what question I am going to be asked.

It's not my style and never has been.
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You say, "Racial-Undertones?" I would say that it is "Racial-Overtones", not that important really!! (The wording, that is)

I am not interested in debating racism on a separate thread really. It is more interesting and vital too, to debate CBB Jan. and what happened in there and the aftermath of the show.

This is no longer a game. It is real life and these three girl's need real help and real understanding.
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You ask me:- "Why do you think that racist and sexist remarks should be bird-whistled out?"

The answer is simple,

If Endemol's editors have watched a segment of the show, where a couple of housemates are saying offensive remarks in a conversation, which would probably be heated, or, behind that person's back.

Then, it would be a very clear and consise decision by the editors, to decide which words and comments need editing out.

There are other factors to consider too:-

1) Are these words or comments within a private & personal conversation between two housemates, whereby, they may be talking about somebody who is not a house-mate, but is just their opinion, in the form of "gossip".

These comments cannot be proven necassarily, but, it is not something that Big Brother really wants to make public.

It is better to edit it all out.

If, during that conversation, a racial or sexual sounding remark was there, then it would be a prudent judgement to remove that remark, within that particular conversation.

2) The words or comments may be right in the middle of a big fall-out, just like with the Shilpa vs the three girl's incident.
If these words or comments, were within this big fall-out, then it may be deemed a good judgement call, to keep certain parts or words in, for all of us to see and hear?

I don't believe that is a good decision, with the Shilpa vs the girls incident, as it has caused such concern and offence.

But, I am not the one, making those judgement calls.

3) The words or comments are within a big argument, just like the Jade-Goody vs Shilpa argument, where Jo & Danielle were all instrumental in.

Within this case, once again, it would be better to look at each and every word and if there was something really bad, then it is a prudent decision for the editors to make in that circumstance, and edit-out.

Profits & ratings could rise, but keeping the argument interesting.

Davina McCall said that the argument was un-cut.

I would have still prefered more editing, especially where tempers were flaring and words could have been birdwistled for a less offensive view of the argument.

4) The words or comments are totally on there own and not part of anything, just in the spare of the moment.

Definate editing out and perhaps a warning in the Diary Room, or total expulsion from the BB house.

The Endemol editors are the police in the house and have to make the right judgement call at the right time.
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You ask me:- "Why should the show protect them, if they act foolish?"

It comes down to (how foolish) and other stuff, which you already know


All the best, nodisharmony

Acres of waffle repeating the same old tired trite and pathetic argument, just an apologist for a racist lowlife

If I ever wanted to know what gibberish a chimp let loose with a typewriter would produce, I have just been saved the cost of hiring the chimp and getting a new ribbon for my old typewriter. Thank heaven for small mercies.

[Kristen]

Originally posted by BAZG
From The Star:

JO O’Meara is to pen an explosive book lifting the lid on the Celebrity Big Brother race row.

The singer, who has been suicidal after becoming a hate target, is being chased by publishers for the warts-and-all story.

And Jo, 27, could net a whopping Ł250,000 deal to help her clear her mounting debts and stop her home being repossessed.

A close pal said: “Jo wants to move on with her life and she feels the only way she can put this nightmare behind her is by telling all.

“So she’s got herself a literary agent and she plans a full and frank account of life inside the house and how badly she’s been treated since she came out.”

The former S Club star plans to tell all about her friendships with Danielle Lloyd, 23, and Jade Goody, 25, and why Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty got up their noses.

Jo will claim that housemates like Jade’s mum Jackiey Budden, 48, uttered comments about Shilpa, 31, that were far more offensive than anything she ever said – yet she bore the brunt of abuse from fans.

She will expose how Jade was “tipped off” about the BB race row in hush-hush diary room chats.

And she will reveal how footage of infamous Oxo Cube row was edited to make her nervous laughter look as if she was laughing at Shilpa.

She will also disclose the “Witches of Elstree’s” taunts and jibes against Shilpa were not racist rants but schoolgirl bully antics that they are now deeply ashamed of.

Jo’s book will also give details about the death threats which pushed her to the brink and reveal how she feels abandoned by BB’s producers and thinks they have “washed their hands” of her now that the show is over.

Jo’s pal said: “She thinks a book will be a good form of therapy to get it all out of her system.

“Channel 4 probably won’t like what she has to say. But they used her like a puppet on the show and now she feels it’s time to hit back.”

Jo signed for the Channel 4 show because she was in financial trouble after her solo pop career and her dog breeding business had not taken off in the way she had hoped.

Nervous laughter? More like a cackle

[GiRTh]

Originally posted by nodisharmony


Hi GiRTh,

The quote:- "There was a lot to cover" was out of a paragraph.

I would never just say that! All the info to that quote, will be within the paragraph from which it was taken.

Everything else should be self explanatory.
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What style of writing? Am I mimicking??

I don't cut & paste, unless it's from an article in a Newspaper.

It would be impossible to do this, as I don't know what question I am going to be asked.

It's not my style and never has been.
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You say, "Racial-Undertones?" I would say that it is "Racial-Overtones", not that important really!! (The wording, that is)

I am not interested in debating racism on a separate thread really. It is more interesting and vital too, to debate CBB Jan. and what happened in there and the aftermath of the show.

This is no longer a game. It is real life and these three girl's need real help and real understanding.
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You ask me:- "Why do you think that racist and sexist remarks should be bird-whistled out?"

The answer is simple,

If Endemol's editors have watched a segment of the show, where a couple of housemates are saying offensive remarks in a conversation, which would probably be heated, or, behind that person's back.

Then, it would be a very clear and consise decision by the editors, to decide which words and comments need editing out.

There are other factors to consider too:-

1) Are these words or comments within a private & personal conversation between two housemates, whereby, they may be talking about somebody who is not a house-mate, but is just their opinion, in the form of "gossip".

These comments cannot be proven necassarily, but, it is not something that Big Brother really wants to make public.

It is better to edit it all out.

If, during that conversation, a racial or sexual sounding remark was there, then it would be a prudent judgement to remove that remark, within that particular conversation.

2) The words or comments may be right in the middle of a big fall-out, just like with the Shilpa vs the three girl's incident.
If these words or comments, were within this big fall-out, then it may be deemed a good judgement call, to keep certain parts or words in, for all of us to see and hear?

I don't believe that is a good decision, with the Shilpa vs the girls incident, as it has caused such concern and offence.

But, I am not the one, making those judgement calls.

3) The words or comments are within a big argument, just like the Jade-Goody vs Shilpa argument, where Jo & Danielle were all instrumental in.

Within this case, once again, it would be better to look at each and every word and if there was something really bad, then it is a prudent decision for the editors to make in that circumstance, and edit-out.

Profits & ratings could rise, but keeping the argument interesting.

Davina McCall said that the argument was un-cut.

I would have still prefered more editing, especially where tempers were flaring and words could have been birdwistled for a less offensive view of the argument.

4) The words or comments are totally on there own and not part of anything, just in the spare of the moment.

Definate editing out and perhaps a warning in the Diary Room, or total expulsion from the BB house.

The Endemol editors are the police in the house and have to make the right judgement call at the right time.
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You ask me:- "Why should the show protect them, if they act foolish?"

It comes down to (how foolish) and other stuff, which you already know


All the best, nodisharmony

I can't be bothered anymore. I think your views are blinkered to the point of being prejudiced, but you never say anything other than we may not know the truth. Try and make your posts shorter; I can't be bothered to read acres of waffle to find the only point you make. You're not convincing anybody on this forum who already disagreed with you and it's noticeable that the Jade fans on the forum are not springing to your aid. Ask yourself why? This has become very boring either make a point or don't bother posting.

[Dr43%er]

I never ask anybody who they are or what they do in real life.

Strange that. You questioned what I did no end over at the other place.

The point I was trying to make else where regarding editing is that non of us know what was edited, thus non of us can use editing as an argument for or against what we saw. Non of us have proof.

[Ruth]

I've had to take nodis off ignore, to understand this thread!

Anyway - apparently Endemol edited out bits which would have made Jade et al look even worse!

[Ruth]

on another thread, nodisharmony wrote

"I would assume that Endemol wouldn't dare show any comments or sentances which may look offensive in that particular area, which has brought the three girls so much trouble in January."

This kind of implies that the editing was actually in Jade and co's favour. Make your mind up nodis!

[Red Moon]

Jade Goody is fast becoming the boring housmate ever to be talked about on this site. All these constant arguments going over the same stuff over and over again is such a bore.

I just hope that Jo doesn't blows lid on Jade just because it would result in even more boring Jade Goody threads on the site.

Now I have got that off my chest I can get one with the day.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by nodisharmony

I don't make any claims.

I just state possibilities.

Apparently, their was meant to be some worse stuff, which was not shown, so the Newspapers say?

But, we don't believe Newspapers, do we?

1. YOU do make claims

2. No you do not state possibilities, you makje claims as absolutes and intimate you are close to the people involved so your info is first hand.

3. Not only the newspapers

4. Ah, but You do believe the newspapers when it suits your agenda, and quote it as sacrosanct.

Vandalised house - a newspaper story denied by the police
You have posted about that ad nauseum.
Broken windows - a newspaper story denied by the police, they reported one crack in one window and an old crack at that.

Threats against the fat slappers kids - untrue say the police, or rather the police say they have recieved no reports of any such threat, if my kids were threatened the police would know about it, as they would from any parent who was not a congenital liar

and on and on

You quote and allude to the newspaper stories as absolute truth - if it supports you.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I think the point that most people are trying to make is that you never really answer anything! you just skirt issues Nodis.

Why say something in 3,000 words that you could probably say in 30! I would much rather be succinct and to the point

Oh and if you are being pedantic about the spelling of noone then maybe you should spell check your posts and check the spelling of the word sentence!

Hi Sunny,

Sometimes I elaborate a bit too far. I'd quite agree on that, in certain instances. But, sometimes it is necassary.

A simple Yes/No answer is no good at all.

I have to explain why, how, when, who, which, what if, etc... & on & on, only if it is necassary. Many times it isn't. I do plenty of smaller posts too. Agreed?

My recent Ruth/nodisharmony Q&A session was quite funny really. I couldn't stop laughing that day! Only because, it was inevitable that Ruth would need to pick up on so many points which she brought up in my past posts. Anyway, I think she's had enough and I am sure your slightly glad

Anyway, I am going to cover Q&A's slightly differently in future, just to keep slight peace! Breaking it up into sections which are easier to moderate.

I know I go on about Jade a bit, but I don't want to drive every Jade-Hater out of their minds. Otherwise madness and tears follow
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Regarding the spelling check, Whoops!!

Slight mis-understanding "Sunny",

I was not on about the mis-spelling, it was actually about the way I write "no one". I always write (no one) and never write (noone)

So, when you made the example, by altering one of my quotes, to make the Jade-Hating camp laugh, it just stuck out at me, that word, (noone) That's all....

I make spelling errors, as I rush through very fast and make little errors, just like the rest of us, which I never point out either.

A little angel is not like that, ha! ha!

All the best, nodisharmony

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by GiRTh

I can't be bothered anymore. I think your views are blinkered to the point of being prejudiced, but you never say anything other than we may not know the truth. Try and make your posts shorter; I can't be bothered to read acres of waffle to find the only point you make. You're not convincing anybody on this forum who already disagreed with you and it's noticeable that the Jade fans on the forum are not springing to your aid. Ask yourself why? This has become very boring either make a point or don't bother posting.

If you want shorter posts GiRTh, then, ask one question at a time. That minimises the so-called "Waffling".

p/s, I'm not on here to make you happy, by the way!!!!!!
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The Jade Goody fans on this forum amount to about "5", I think? That is including me as well.

If they don't get involved, then it is one of two reasons:-

1) They enjoy taking part in other topics in other sections of this Big Brother forum and prefer to keep friendly with everyone, even the Jade-Haters, who may want to talk about something else as well as Jade Goody.

2) They look in at what I say, with interest and are quite happy to let my good work continue in my usual way.

Putting some Jade-Haters in a difficult position, by them, not being able to come up with a reasoned response with the prosecution, against Jade, Jo & Danielle.

nodisharmony

[Crystal-Rose]

and who would WANT to read that!

[Mrluvaluva]

Anybody who likes Jade is welcome to post their comments nodis. We ain't a vigilante group you know. This is not "Outlaw".

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Dr43%er

Strange that. You questioned what I did no end over at the other place.

The point I was trying to make else where regarding editing is that non of us know what was edited, thus non of us can use editing as an argument for or against what we saw. Non of us have proof.

I don't remember questioning you over at Jadegoodyonline.com about what you did?

You shall have to remind me in a polite way. If you do, I shall respond.
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None of us know what was edited.

This is because, Endemol are in the possession of the un-cut tapes and have chosen to keep them private at this time.

None of us can ignore the possibilities, that there were important words and comments not shown, that could make all the difference to the image of Jade, Jo & Danielle.

Jo & Danielle have made their feelings very clear on this!

and some go on about Jack Tweed and his maybe comments.


Isn't that a polite answer Dr43%er? (Let's debate)

[Mrluvaluva]

Some indeed do go on about Jack and his maybe comments. Myself included.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
I've had to take nodis off ignore, to understand this thread!

Anyway - apparently Endemol edited out bits which would have made Jade et al look even worse!

A quick answer to these two questions Ruth.

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I never put "Ignore" up to anybody. I'm too tactful and polite, full stop!!

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Understanding the thread is quite easy. Just click on the topic link and like magic, it comes up in English.

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Endemol's edited out bits, may make Jade, Jo & Danielle look better, as there may be stuff which could improve their image.

Note, that I am not just debating Jade Goody here. Agreed!!

Danielle Lloyd & Jo O'Meara have really spoken out about this.

Are you saying that they are Racist Liars?

Full-time or Part-time?

[Dr43%er]

None of us can ignore the possibilities, that there were important words and comments not shown, that could make all the difference to the image of Jade, Jo & Danielle.

This is very true. I am not saying this could not have happened. But as we don't know what may have been cut, no one can say what sort of different image could have been created.

Do you agree that it is possible that there could be some cut footage showing the girls (however unlikely you believe it to be) saying overt racist comments?

Hope that was polite enough. Doubt I will see your reply till tomorrow now.

[nodisharmony]

Originally posted by Ruth
on another thread, nodisharmony wrote

"I would assume that Endemol wouldn't dare show any comments or sentances which may look offensive in that particular area, which has brought the three girls so much trouble in January."

This kind of implies that the editing was actually in Jade and co's favour. Make your mind up nodis!

I don't agree with your assumption from my comment.

Maybe you have got the wrong end of the stick?

Endemol have editors who have the nouse and the experience to edit in a careful way.

Look at the word (Careful) Ruth.

Think about it?

Why do I say (Careful)

Nothing there, says that Jade is guaranteed to look better or worse. There are no guarantees.

But I am listening to Jo O'Meara and starting to think like her and believe quite well that things were not as we see.

Jo & Danielle have met up and I would prefer, no investigation, full stop...

I am more interested in the "Haters", to lessen.