[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And none of that changes the fact that our government are under investigation for Human Rights abuse against disabled people.

The act of trying to distract somebody from focusing on something bad by saying 'that thing over there is also bad so that somehow vindicates this bad thing for some reason!' is foolishness.

Most of the Tory government were remainers, including Osborne and Cameron, so don't understand how your hypothesis that the government wanted a Brexit works.

Also if the government are being investigated for human rights abuse and you offer this up as a reason why they can't be trusted then why should we be more concerned about that than the hypocrisy of the EU who are supposed to be the experts on human rights. I think is it very relevant. Why would we want to be in the EU based on that? Supporters of human rights only when it suits it seems. No thanks.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Sore losers are doing the jobs that the bad winners have stepped down from / are incapable of doing. Your other points are wishywashy repitition that I dont feel the need to expand on much

The government are simply doing their job - that is what we are paying them for.

[Kizzy]

The whole reason we are briexitting is to remove ourselves from under the EU law umbrella... That way this govt can do what it likes with everyone, as in any marginalised group, including the disabled.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

The government are simply doing their job - that is what we are paying them for.

Then stop your whining

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The whole reason we are briexitting is to remove ourselves from under the EU law umbrella... That way this govt can do what it likes with everyone, as in any marginalised group, including the disabled.

But the government were largely against Brexit including Cameron. That makes no sense to me. We are Brexiting because the leavers got the vote and the government are reluctantly obliged to follow it through.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Then stop your whining

Ditto.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Ditto.

I havent? I just lead you down a path so you can realise how silly it is to whine about remainers hesitation tactics when theyre simply filling in for the leavers who have stepped down - its their job, thats what they're payed to do. Thats what your whine came down to, you said this yourself.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But the government were largely against Brexit including Cameron. .

Stop and ask yourself why and whilst youre at it, ask yourself why everyone (leavers and remainers) seem to be stepping down from their brexit-related post. Get back to me if you come to a conclusion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But the government were largely against Brexit including Cameron. That makes no sense to me. We are Brexiting because the leavers got the vote and the government are reluctantly obliged to follow it through.

I don't truly believe they were 100% behind remain, there would've been more made of the benefits and the govt would've worked harder to stop the lies of the leave campaign had they been serious imo.
The govt don't appear that reluctant though do they? May was a remainer though you would never know now would you?
If anyone thinks this is due to the will of the people or a democratic process I think that's rubbish, personally I think as heard in farages monologue regarding his early days as an MEP this has been a long time coming from the centre right faction of both the labour and conservative camps.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I havent? I just lead you down a path so you can realise how silly it is to whine about remainers hesitation tactics when theyre simply filling in for the leavers who have stepped down - its their job, thats what they're payed to do. Thats what your whine came down to, you said this yourself.

Farage wasn't in the Tory government, what has him stepping down got to do with the government doing their job and putting the process of leaving the EU into gear. You led me nowhere dear.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Farage wasn't in the Tory government, what has him stepping down got to do with the government doing their job and putting the process of leaving the EU into gear. You led me nowhere dear.

I wasnt even thinking about Farage. Although good point, he left the sinking ship asap too. Maybe we need a longer think about why everybody (leavers and remainers) are stepping down, we havent got too far yet.

[Withano]

Leavers step down for unknown reasons
Remainer fills in
Remainer picks up leavers mess and doesnt know what to do with it
Remainers are ruining everything that leavers have worked for

Good logic m8888

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

I wasnt even thinking about Farage. Although good point, he left the sinking ship asap too. Maybe we need a longer think about why everybody (leavers and remainers) are stepping down, we havent got too far yet.

Remind me then who exactly are you talking about?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Leavers step down for unknown reasons
Remainer fills in
Remainer picks up leavers mess and doesnt know what to do with it
Remainers are ruining everything that leavers have worked for

Good logic m8888

Remainers are trying to negotiate a deal more suited to their plan. The words 'soft/hard' Brexit had never been uttered until after the vote and the government got a chance to 'influence' the process.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You were the one who took the headline at face value, it has nothing to do with interpretation, one conservative MP is not the NHS.

Sounds you didn't read it but I could say the same to you, how much does one statement by someone in the red Cross really mean and how factual is it. You choose to believe what you wish, so will I.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The NHS was in profit until quite recently when profit generating portions were sold off.

The NHS has never been in 'profit'. Not sure where you are getting that from. There were reports in the 80s of people dying in trollies. Nothing has changed really, it needs more cash it always has. It's probably the shining star of our society but it's expensive to run and the drug companies Rob us blind.

It needs some sort of extra boost similar to the way sport has benefitted from the lottery IMO.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Remainers are trying to negotiate a deal more suited to their plan. The words 'soft/hard' Brexit had never been uttered until after the vote and the government got a chance to 'influence' the process.

Honestly, its got to the point where most news is good news because any news is progress. Whining about remainers who arent doing a good job of brexit is the most mindless whine i can imagine from anyone really where brexit is concerned - the leavers have done a ****storm job of it too and it was their bloody idea. The hard/soft/black/white words also pisses me off, I think its just a way for the government to say - i dont ****ing know - and get away with it, then in march - when whatever happens happens, they'll just be all like "oh yeh, we were always aiming for a fluffy navy brexit with yellow stripes, that way we can still work towards improving it in the future" There wasnt a plan, but a planless idea won, perhaps this should have been made clearer to voters to lessen the post-brexit "youre mucking everything up" whines (you cant muck up a plan that never existed, its like me giving you a set of drawers from ikea but shredding up the instructions, and then getting in a hissy when i find it isnt finished the way the ikea salesman told me it should have been - thats how mindless your whine is)... now we have to let people attempt to make a plan and do it well by March, its possible. Probably?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't truly believe they were 100% behind remain, there would've been more made of the benefits and the govt would've worked harder to stop the lies of the leave campaign had they been serious imo.
The govt don't appear that reluctant though do they? May was a remainer though you would never know now would you?
If anyone thinks this is due to the will of the people or a democratic process I think that's rubbish, personally I think as heard in farages monologue regarding his early days as an MEP this has been a long time coming from the centre right faction of both the labour and conservative camps.

It was arrogance, Cameron and Osborne didn't think they could lose.

For 30 years politicians had been avoiding letting public vote on anything EU related because they were afraid the public would vote against. I think so much time has passed without giving us any say that Cameron either forgot that or thought we'd just vote remain because we were so used to being in. He seriously miscalculated.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Honestly, its got to the point where most news is good news because any news is progress. Whining about remainers who arent doing a good job of brexit is the most mindless whine i can imagine from anyone really where brexit is concerned - the leavers have done a shotstorm job of it too and it was their bloody idea. The hard/soft/black/white words also pisses me off, I think its just a way for the government to say - i dont ****ing know - and get away with it, then in march - when whatever happens happens, they'll just be all like "oh yeh, we were always aiming for a fluffy navy brexit with yellow stripes, that way we can still work towards improving it in the future" There wasnt a plan, but a planless idea won, perhaps this should have been made clearer to voters to lessen the post-brexit "youre mucking everything up" whines... now we have to let people attempt to make a plan and do it well by March, its possible. Probably?

I am simply pointing out that the leavers, most of which were not in the government, are not involved in seeing the process through for that reason. Unfortunately that job is in the hands of a predominantly remain government.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Remind me then who exactly are you talking about?

I'd quite like to hear who all the leavers deserting the process and resigning are too. Not holding breath for a straight answer though!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I am simply pointing out that the leavers, most of which were not in the government, are not involved in seeing the process through for that reason. Unfortunately that job is in the hands of a predominantly remain government.

David Davis, Liam Fox and Boris Johnson all voted leave.. Granted theyre all a bit thick, who would you prefer? - There isnt a good predominantly leave government, all of the main 9 are predominantly remain.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

David Davis, Liam Fox and Boris Johnson all voted leave.. Granted theyre all a bit thick, who would you prefer? - There isnt a good predominantly leave government, all of the main 8 are predominantly remain.

They are certainly brighter than the other 8 in my book. Lets not be too hasty though in underestimating the power of the righteous!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

They are certainly brighter than the other 8 in my book.

Then stop your whining

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Then stop your whining

You need to stop the personal remarks to users and the argument goading.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Then stop your whining

When you stop yours.