[Kizzy]

Accountable? I don't think enough realise how corrupt we are becoming. It's time to stop deluding ourselves with this cosy British ideal.... It does not exist!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Accountable? I don't think enough realise how corrupt we are becoming. It's time to stop deluding ourselves with this cosy British ideal.... It does not exist!

Britain has as much right to retain its own culture and identity as any other and therefore take action to protect them and it is no more or less corrupt than most other Europen countries.

No country or government will ever be perfect because people aren't perfect but what we have is generally pretty good, which is why so many want to come here.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Britain has as much right to retain its own culture and identity as any other and therefore take action to protect them and it is no more or less corrupt than most other Europen countries.

No country or government will ever be perfect because people aren't perfect but what we have is generally pretty good, which is why so many want to come here.

I have to agree with this.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Britain has as much right to retain its own culture and identity as any other and therefore take action to protect them and it is no more or less corrupt than most other Europen countries.

No country or government will ever be perfect because people aren't perfect but what we have is generally pretty good, which is why so many want to come here.

Protecting people from corruption has nothing to do with culture...none.

We are considerably more corrupt, mafia bosses are more diplomatic.
We were pretty good, now we are dire. Bury your head and sing Jerusalem but how can a country hurtling towards autocracy,which is already more easily described as a meritocracy than a democracy be anything but?...
We have too many representatives with a conflict of interest, who are glorified lobbyists or who are simply biding their time before shuffling to a cushy corporate position.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ght-corruption

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Protecting people from corruption has nothing to do with culture...none.

We are considerably more corrupt, mafia bosses are more diplomatic.
We were pretty good, now we are dire. Bury your head and sing Jerusalem but how can a country hurtling towards autocracy,which is already more easily described as a meritocracy than a democracy be anything but?...
We have too many representatives with a conflict of interest, who are glorified lobbyists or who are simply biding their time before shuffling to a cushy corporate position.

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ght-corruption

Just like many opposed to Brexit are so because of their own financial interests - business and personal.

Money will always be a motivator in business and to the ambitious, nothing will change that. To suggest other Western politicians are any different is naive, but we are still a democracy despite how many would like to change that. Most want to keep it that way.

Considering your views on Brexit I find your comments ironic given you would be quite happy to overturn a democratic public vote when it suits. That would be the start of a very slippery slope and potentially the beginning of the end for democracy in Britain, playing right into the hands of some.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Just like many opposed to Brexit are so because of their own financial interests - business and personal.

Money will always be a motivator in business and to the ambitious, nothing will change that. To suggest other Western politicians are any different is naive, but we are still a democracy despite how many would like to change that. Most want to keep it that way.

Considering your views on Brexit I find your comments ironic given you would be quite happy to overturn a democratic public vote when it suits. That would be the start of a very slippery slope and potentially the beginning of the end for democracy in Britain, playing right into the hands of some.

Who said I was for overturning the decision?...

I was for remain but if that was the will of the people (allegedly) then so be it, that said you can't disagree that May has gone further than anyone imagined in her progress thus far?...She is not suggesting we be out, but OUT out, light years out even :/

I don't give a fig about business if I'm honest... All I want is to know is wages, rights, civil protections, environmental considerations, schooling, and healthcare are maintained and protected for future generations. I do not trust this govt to deliver that, I fear with the expansion of the service industry we're going back to an 'upstairs downstairs' existence that will see the 99% trapped in a cycle of poverty and debt.

[reece(:]

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by reece(:

It's all talk. If she had the ability to go for independence she'd be demanding it. It's her ultimate goal. She can jabber on about the single market all she likes. The UK voted to leave and the EU won't make exceptions for Scotland or anything that gives Scotland a case for membership. Scotland wants the EU, the EU does not want Scotland.

[joeysteele]

For the whole of the UK,I hope you are right jaxie.

[Northern Monkey]

Idk.Some of this speculation seems a little paranoid to me.Why would Theresa May want to scrap workers right?What would she gain?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Idk.Some of this speculation seems a little paranoid to me.Why would Theresa May want to scrap workers right?What would she gain?

It is a genuine concern not of only myself but MPs, are they paranoid too?...as we have no concrete assurances, and the chance they had to give an assurance was deliberately bypassed.
Speculation is all we have... for anything, so close any and all debates on brexit as speculation is not a normal natural response to attempt to rationalise what is happening to the country in which we live :/

She would gain subdued debt saddled wage slaves ... you, your kids .. your kids kids.