[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

I'd say getting all of your knowledge of the benefits system from tabloid sensationalism is a lot more impressionable than any student.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

Nope, that's for anyone who feels their civil rights are being eroded and are no longer happy to be led by the nose.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh this thread is ****ing absurd, put down your copies of the Daily Express and do some research

For starters, a UCL report found that the positive net contribution of EU migrants since 2000 totalled Ł20bn, compared with a negative figure for native born Brits of Ł617bn. Moreover, they were 43% less likely than natives to claim benefits and tax credits, and 7% less likely to be living in social housing. Not only that, but they are on average better educated than natives...with...get this, 25% of those pesky recent Eastern European migrants being university graduates compared with only 24% of Brits.

On a separate but related note, unemployment benefits total just 1% of the welfare spending bill, and even if you collate the figures for housing and family support, they still do not exceed the amount we spend on pensions. Why do people always forget this?

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. The poverty we have in this country is the fault of successive governments failing to build adequate levels of social housing, and the continuing obsession with 'clamping down' on benefit fraud despite the fact that uncollected tax is 30x more of a loss. But no we won't give a **** about any of that because it's not a tangible scenario that we can envisage like Blanka and her family of seventeen kids not working and not speaking English is

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personally can't be doing with all that anti-establishment bull. That's for impressionable rebellious student types trying to 'find themselves'.

I have complete and utter sincere pity for anyone that doesn't think their government should be questioned or held accountable for their actions.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I have complete and utter sincere pity for anyone that doesn't think their government should be questioned or held accountable for their actions.

Did I say that. No words in mouths please. What I have little time for are those that see conspiracy theories around every corner and act as though they are the 'enlightened' generation and the first to question the establishment.

I find it idealistic, naďve and downright hypocritical that many are quick to question the establishment but refuse to question religious ideology and oppressive practice in their own countries - basically because it isn't fashionable, PC. They defend the undefendable in their blind attempts to lay all blame at the establishment and their misguided attempts at 'justice'. Western governments cannot compare/compete with religion when it comes to oppression and dictatorships.

I believe everyone should be held accountable for their actions whatever race, religion or nationality and PC should never get in the way of that. I too have complete and utter pity for anyone who doesn't think religious ideology and relating oppressive practice should be questioned and people indulging in such practices in this country held accountable. Since when did being a minority put someone above the laws and beliefs of a country. The same rules should apply to all and people shouldn't fear challenging behaviours because the culprits happen to be a minority group within that country.

Idealism and tunnel vision go hand in hand.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Oh this thread is ****ing absurd, put down your copies of the Daily Express and do some research

For starters, migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf]a UCL report found that the positive net contribution of EU migrants since 2000 totalled Ł20bn, compared with a negative figure for native born Brits of Ł617bn. Moreover, they were 43% less likely than natives to claim benefits and tax credits, and 7% less likely to be living in social housing. Not only that, but they are on average better educated than natives...with...get this, 25% of those pesky recent Eastern European migrants being university graduates compared with only 24% of Brits.[/B]

On a separate but related note, unemployment benefits total just 1% of the welfare spending bill, and even if you collate the figures for housing and family support, they still do not exceed the amount we spend on pensions. Why do people always forget this?

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. The poverty we have in this country is the fault of successive governments failing to build adequate levels of social housing, and the continuing obsession with 'clamping down' on benefit fraud despite the fact that uncollected tax is 30x more of a loss. But no we won't give a **** about any of that because it's not a tangible scenario that we can envisage like Blanka and her family of seventeen kids not working and not speaking English is

But then the spin is they are taking our jobs you can't win as an immigrant

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Jack_

snip

Migrants undercutting wages of British workers is the fault of their employers who are illegally underpaying them. snip

SO not "because Brits bare too lazy to do the jobs"?

And then also the faulty of say the NHS themselves when we are told "if all the immigrants left the NHS would collapse"?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

SO not "because Brits bare too lazy to do the jobs"?

And then also the fault of say the NHS themselves when we are told "if all the immigrants left the NHS would collapse"?

The NHS would collapse if all immigrants left because of the sheer number of qualified, trained NHS staff who are immigrants. You can't just say "Oh but Betty down the street needs a job, she can do it!"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The NHS would collapse if all immigrants left because of the sheer number of qualified, trained NHS staff who are immigrants. You can't just say "Oh but Betty down the street needs a job, she can do it!"

I guess it would collapse if all men left, or all right handed people left or if all people who masturbated once a week left?

are you suggesting we should allow the unfettered influx of organ abusers into the UK?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I guess it would collapse if all men left, or all right handed people left or if all people who masturbated once a week left?

Err yes but no one is suggesting removing those people from the country. As far as I'm aware.

[Denver]

Another rule should be any foreign people in British prisons should be deported with lifelong bans from entering the UK

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Another rule should be any foreign people in British prisons should be deported with lifelong bans from entering the UK

Define "foreign" people. Is it just the people with no family connections to the country? Just the ones with funny accents? Ones who have British citizenship but weren't born here? Or...?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Define "foreign" people. Is it just the people with no family connections to the country? Just the ones with funny accents? Ones who have British citizenship but weren't born here? Or...?

The ones who have not been given citizenship although if it is serious like rape or murder then they should have the citizenship revoked

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The ones who have not been given citizenship although if it is serious like rape or murder then they should have the citizenship revoked

What are the figures for our prisons? I don't have a clue about stuff like how many immigrants we have in our prisons. Is there a lot?

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

What are the figures for our prisons? I don't have a clue about stuff like how many immigrants we have in our prisons. Is there a lot?

I dont know tbh but i guess there is a fair few.

I know a few were deported last year for raping children but most of the gang are still in prison here

[Withano]

I like to follow life by one simple question with two possible answers

'Is there a problem?'

No - thanks to Brexit
Yes - thanks to immigrants

Its simple, if you dont understand it, youre probably in education or a loony lefty.