[Withano]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I like Tim Farron but that comment was stupid. We have two weeks until an election that could change our country for the better and in those two weeks, the right wing press are using this atrocity for their own political gain but Corbyn's not allowed to speak? Tim Farron can go take a running jump.

I've gotta admit, I was concerned it was too soon... but I think it was Jack that said he needs to define his stance before other parties defines it for him, which is a good point... you can't ignore it forever, every leader needs to make a formal statement eventually... but the debate on whether today is too soon is open imo.

[thesheriff443]

Nothing is really going to change regardless of who is elected.
Terrorist are not going to stop trying to kill people for what they believe in.
What will happen is if idiots keep up the anti muslim crap it will push normal Muslims towards extremists.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Nothing is really going to change regardless of who is elected.
Terrorist are not going to stop trying to kill people for what they believe in.
What will happen is if idiots keep up the anti muslim crap it will push normal Muslims towards extremists.

In the short term no, but perhaps if we stay out of wars for a generation? Very possibly.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Withano

In the short term no, but perhaps if we stay out of wars for a generation? Very possibly.

The damage has been done by labour they created this message and it is here to stay

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Adam.

The damage has been done by labour they created this message and it is here to stay

Nobody can possibly know that. All parties have to put forward ideas that can contibute towards minimising and reversing the damage that Blair done. To me; Corbyns idea seems feasible, whilst May's idea seems more in line with Blairs.

You can carry on linking parties if you honestly think that's wise, I'll link policies.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Withano

Nobody can possibly know that. All parties have to put forward ideas that can contibute towards minimising and reversing the damage that Blair done. To me; Corbyns idea seems feasible, whilst May's idea seems more in line with Blairs.

You can carry on linking parties if you honestly think that's wise, I'll link policies.

Very true. How can people vote for May when they despise Blair. Two eggs out of the same basket.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Withano

In the short term no, but perhaps if we stay out of wars for a generation? Very possibly.

These wars have been going on since the crusades when the Christians tryed to take back Jerusalem.

[Northern Monkey]

There were things in this speech that i agree with however they were things that everyone will agree with.

Now what i disagree with about his speech are firstly -
"The war on terror is'nt working"
well it is working.ISIS are being diminished in Iraq and if we weren't there they'd be much bigger and in control of much more territory.
We can't just let them get on with it.
Yes our interventions in Iraq and Lybia are fueling the narrative however that narrative would still be there had we not gone in.Just possibly under another banner.It is ingrained in deep rooted religious and cultural ideas.These are tribal ideological anti western value religious maniacs.They would still be doing this stuff!
He'd pull our airforce out leaving the Iraqi army screwed and we'd still be getting attacked!

What i also disagree with is that there was absolutely no mention of Islamism.He mentioned that our past interventions are fuelling this fair enough but no specific mention of the ideology behind the whole thing.This is an Islamic problem but he won't say it.He needs to admit this or it looks as though he's just blaming the west.
Islamism IS the root cause.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by Riley.

When national campaigning resumes tomorrow Jeremy Corbyn is set to make a speech about the attack and how Labour will not let things like that happen.

Disgusting vile trash.

Vile trash to speak the truth.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt

Vile trash to speak the truth.

Exactly, people are getting way too precious about this Manchester thing that it's just getting silly now.

Some people would just have it that May's a saint and that no other party is allowed to challenge her over her handling of the situation, it's really stupid, it really is.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly, people are getting way too precious about this Manchester thing that it's just getting silly now.

Some people would just have it that May's a saint and that no other party is allowed to challenge her over her handling of the situation, it's really stupid, it really is.

"This Manchester thing" only happened 4 days ago, it is still raw for many people, me included that these young children perished at the hands of a terrorist. It is going to be raw for a LONG time....if people are precious they have every right to be.

I agree that these issues need to be spoken about, there will always be people who disagree with things that are said but to say people are being "precious" is pretty rough Mock.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

"This Manchester thing" only happened 4 days ago, it is still raw for many people, me included that these young children perished at the hands of a terrorist. It is going to be raw for a LONG time....if people are precious they have every right to be.

I agree that these issues need to be spoken about, there will always be people who disagree with things that are said but to say people are being "precious" is pretty rough Mock.

I honestly don't care if it sounds rough, it's been incredibly annoying that you dare to say anything about how the situation could've been handled better and you get emotional responses like "it's too soon to talk about this" or "it's an agenda which is completely disrespectful to the victims" so what are people suppose to do? Just go around praising Theresa May for her people to actually know that this guy was in the country but just let him walk freely in the country? I like some other people want a solution as soon as possible, I don't know if May or Corbyn have the solution, or somebody else from another party for that matter, but I am sick and tired of people just wanting to think about the victims and not the solution.

Yes that may sound rough, and of course it's sad that a girl around my Niece's age fgs got killed in the attack, but we can't just harp on and on about the evil Jihadists if nobody wants a possible solution from if we have to an alternative source to Theresa May.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I honestly don't care if it sounds rough, it's been incredibly annoying that you dare to say anything about how the situation could've been handled better and you get emotional responses like "it's too soon to talk about this" or "it's an agenda which is completely disrespectful to the victims" so what are people suppose to do? Just go around praising Theresa May for her people to actually know that this guy was in the country but just let him walk freely in the country? I like some other people want a solution as soon as possible, I don't know if May or Corbyn have the solution, or somebody else from another party for that matter, but I am sick and tired of people just wanting to think about the victims and not the solution.

Yes that may sound rough, and of course it's sad that a girl around my Niece's age fgs got killed in the attack, but we can't just harp on and on about the evil Jihadists if nobody wants a possible solution from if we have to an alternative source to Theresa May.

I actually agree with what you are saying Mock but your choice of phrase is what riled me....maybe its because its Manchester and so too close to home for me to be rational and impartial but of course its too soon for some people to talk about it - the city is still in shock so god knows what people more closely affected are feeling.

[Rob!]

It's hardly unreasonable. It is forefront of everyone's minds - what is the next government going to do about terror? UKIP have done it too.

[Brother Leon]

He's unfortunately scared some voters away for sure, but he's not wrong. Our foreign policy has been a disaster for well over a decade now.

[joeysteele]

Corbyn stated truths,unwelcome ones to some possibly but nevertheless truths.
Ones that needed saying too if any UK govt. is ever going to seriously look at addressing long term this hatred and determination to attack the UK with terrorism.

It is way overdue that the UK should have been looking at resisting getting involved,left,right and centre as to Middle East Nations.
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I really doubt that realisation will ever come from Mrs May and her bunch.
The sad thing,attacks like this should bring the best ideas from those in all Parties as to ways forward.

May's dismissal the UKs intervention in Libya has any connection was ridiculous denial of the worst kind.
We should never have got involved in Libya at all.
All we did was build up the fires of hate.

Manchester is a shocking tragedy,it is devastating it happened.
Preparing only for more such attacks and not analysing all as to how to start looking for eradicating them altogether is at best short sighted and at worst gross incompetence.

[Brother Leon]

66% on a YouGov poll agree on his view on foreign policy and terrorism. As is the case with most of his policies, the British Public agree on it. Unfortunately too many people can't get over he fact they've been told he's unelectable and want someone "strong and stable" that doesn't even know what she wants for Lunch.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

66% on a YouGov poll agree on his view on foreign policy and terrorism. As is the case with most of his policies, the British Public agree on it. Unfortunately too many people can't get over he fact they've been told he's unelectable and want someone "strong and stable" that doesn't even know what she wants for Lunch.

His policies and figures remain unproven. So vote away on blind faith. Risky business. A lot of youngsters just think that will have more money and get free university tuition, but will they I wonder!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

His policies and figures remain unproven. So vote away on blind faith. Risky business. A lot of youngsters just think that will have more money and get free university tuition, but will they I wonder!

We have no reason to suspect he won't go ahead he has throughout his career been a man of his word, may on the other hand... :/

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

His policies and figures remain unproven. So vote away on blind faith. Risky business. A lot of youngsters just think that will have more money and get free university tuition, but will they I wonder!

I think based on his history and everything he has fought for his whole political career, youngsters can believe and trust in him way more than any other alternatives this country has.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

66% on a YouGov poll agree on his view on foreign policy and terrorism. As is the case with most of his policies, the British Public agree on it. Unfortunately too many people can't get over he fact they've been told he's unelectable and want someone "strong and stable" that doesn't even know what she wants for Lunch.

Pretty much, headlines and catchphrases hold more sway with the voting public than any policy can ever hope to do so. It's why May will win despite the fact that this election has shown her up as dangerously incompetent time and time again but who cares about that? She's promising bloody vengeance against terrorism and she says Strong and Stable a lot!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Pretty much, headlines and catchphrases hold more sway with the voting public than any policy can ever hope to do so. It's why May will win despite the fact that this election has shown her up as dangerously incompetent time and time again but who cares about that? She's promising bloody vengeance against terrorism and she says Strong and Stable a lot!

I don't know, what may turn out to be false promises seem to be carrying a lot of weight for some.

Had to laugh though about her saying strong and stable a lot - that is true and I agree it's frustrating.

[Withano]

Tory arguments are getting weaker by the day, I think even they understand theyre running out of ways to sabotage Labour / promote conservatives