[user104658]

My dad was born at 24 weeks, weighed less than 2lbs. And that was 63 years ago when survival chances were even lower. He's 6'2 as well .

To think, you guys almost didn't have the pleasure of Toy Soldier ... What sort of forum would it even be?

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

My dad was born at 24 weeks, weighed less than 2lbs. And that was 63 years ago when survival chances were even lower. He's 6'2 as well .

To think, you guys almost didn't have the pleasure of Toy Soldier ... What sort of forum would it even be?

I can't imagine the forum without you TS

Great that your dad survived, especially so many years ago without the technology and equipment we have now.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Great that your dad survived, especially so many years ago without the technology and equipment we have now.

I think he was pretty much a write off, but he just kept ticking along. Like a few hours later they were like "Err he's still alive, we should probably start feeding him or something"

[Northern Monkey]

I personally believe that the abortion time limit should be dramatically reduced anyway.
Anyone with kids knows that at that 20 week scan when you can determine the sex.That is a baby in there!Not just a collection of cells.24 or 26 or whatever it is weeks is ridiculous.You're killing a baby at that stage.Awful.
A friend of a friend has had five abortions when she was young.That should no way be allowed.
People need to start taking responsibility for there actions.
I'm not anti abortion overall but there needs to be some stricter rules in place.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I personally believe that the abortion time limit should be dramatically reduced anyway.
Anyone with kids knows that at that 20 week scan when you can determine the sex.That is a baby in there!Not just a collection of cells.24 or 26 or whatever it is weeks is ridiculous.You're killing a baby at that stage.Awful.
A friend of a friend has had five abortions when she was young.That should no way be allowed.
People need to start taking responsibility for there actions.
I'm not anti abortion overall but there needs to be some stricter rules in place.

Problem is though, what would you say we could do about (the vanishingly small number of) people like this? Force them to have babies? Sterylise them?

At my 12 week scan mine looked like babies...not sure if mine just grew fast or what.

Very upsetting stuff in the spoiler. Don't click if easily upset...

Spoiler:

When I had my miscarriage just before I got pregnant with Skye, I was only 9 weeks and what I passed looked like a really tiny baby :S It was absolutely horrendous

I guess the issue with reducing the limit loads is a lot of people don't even realise they are pregnant until a later stage. I used to think it should be under 12 weeks. However...as most are carried out at an early stage anyway, it seems to kind of police itself. I doubt anyone would take the decision of a late abortion lightly. Even an early one is seriously upsetting, I can't imagine what it must be like to actually have to give birth to a baby you have aborted :/

Some really do seem to think women do it for ****s and giggles. A select few might not take it as seriously as they should, but the huge majority do.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Problem is though, what would you say we could do about (the vanishingly small number of) people like this? Force them to have babies? Sterylise them?

At my 12 week scan mine looked like babies...not sure if mine just grew fast or what.

Very upsetting stuff in the spoiler. Don't click if easily upset...

Spoiler:

When I had my miscarriage just before I got pregnant with Skye, I was only 9 weeks and what I passed looked like a really tiny baby :S It was absolutely horrendous

I guess the issue with reducing the limit loads is a lot of people don't even realise they are pregnant until a later stage. I used to think it should be under 12 weeks. However...as most are carried out at an early stage anyway, it seems to kind of police itself. I doubt anyone would take the decision of a late abortion lightly. Even an early one is seriously upsetting, I can't imagine what it must be like to actually have to give birth to a baby you have aborted :/

Some really do seem to think women do it for ****s and giggles. A select few might not take it as seriously as they should, but the huge majority do.

I think somewhere between the 16-20 week would make more sense under normal circumstances. Obviously if it is detrimental to the mothers life then at anytime.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I personally believe that the abortion time limit should be dramatically reduced anyway.
Anyone with kids knows that at that 20 week scan when you can determine the sex.That is a baby in there!Not just a collection of cells.24 or 26 or whatever it is weeks is ridiculous.You're killing a baby at that stage.Awful.
A friend of a friend has had five abortions when she was young.That should no way be allowed.
People need to start taking responsibility for there actions.
I'm not anti abortion overall but there needs to be some stricter rules in place.

Possibly, but the debate being prompted as a concession to the DUP is not just questionable but counter-productive to the debate itself. It's never going to be debated openly and honestly when it's tainted with other political distractions and implications.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Possibly, but the debate being prompted as a concession to the DUP is not just questionable but counter-productive to the debate itself. It's never going to be debated openly and honestly when it's tainted with other political distractions and implications.

True.
Shame something wasn't done in 2012 when Theresa May amongst others were thinking about it.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Possibly, but the debate being prompted as a concession to the DUP is not just questionable but counter-productive to the debate itself. It's never going to be debated openly and honestly when it's tainted with other political distractions and implications.

Well yes, this is what concerns me about it, not the debate itself as such, but how ****ing early May seems to be doing what they want. I can imagine over the coming weeks/months the debates will get worse too. Maybe a few talks in parliament about how 'gays are abominations' and how May should remove equal marriage laws and such no doubt

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yes, this is what concerns me about it, not the debate itself as such, but how ****ing early May seems to be doing what they want.

For it to have been announced so early I'd assume it was one of their agreements when they were negotiating the support deal in the first place. It seems to have been cobbled together pretty hastily... The Conservatives really did not expect anything less than a majority.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well yes, this is what concerns me about it, not the debate itself as such, but how ****ing early May seems to be doing what they want. I can imagine over the coming weeks/months the debates will get worse too. Maybe a few talks in parliament about how 'gays are abominations' and how May should remove equal marriage laws and such no doubt

They can debate it all they want (although i dont think they will) it is a free country. The point is that a minority government doesnt have the capability to pass anything close to controversial, they would immediately face a vote of no confidence and be straight back to an election. Its only a matter of hours or weeks until a new election is called.

I fully expect the queens speech to be challenged to test the water. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we dont even get to a new session without having to go straight back to the people for another election.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

They can debate it all they want (although i dont think they will) it is a free country. The point is that a minority government doesnt have the capability to pass anything close to controversial, they would immediately face a vote of no confidence and be straight back to an election. Its only a matter of hours or weeks until a new election is called.

I fully expect the queens speech to be challenged to test the water. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we dont even get to a new session without having to go straight back to the people for another election.

Yep that's going to be interesting.