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10-06-2017, 02:34 PM | #51 | ||
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10-06-2017, 02:52 PM | #52 | |||
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Lowering the legal limit is not a bad thing I'm as long as they don't try to abolish it completely. 24 weeks is far too late imo. They will always be allowed to do later term medical terminations but for "normal" terminations 24 weeks is far too advanced imo.
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10-06-2017, 03:39 PM | #53 | |||
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Another thing is, doctors and nurses involved in dilation and evacuation procedure used in late stage abortions often find it very traumatic and spend a lot of time struggling with their own conscience. Whilst they know its a necessary procedure most cases, they don't call it the 'dark side' of medicine for nothing.
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10-06-2017, 04:08 PM | #54 | |||
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She lost a baby boy at 24 weeks the year before, he only lived 6 hours. Fortunately they managed to save mother and baby, baby had a few problems to start with, but she was out of hospital by the time her actual due date. She is now an award winning dancer and the smiliest happiest kid ever. Had she been born before the 24 weeks there is a chance she would not have been given any help in her chance of survival. |
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10-06-2017, 04:15 PM | #55 | |||
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10-06-2017, 04:46 PM | #58 | ||
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There are a huge number of babies that survive when born really really early. Gavins son with someone else was born at 30 weeks. Which is not really that early but my god he was tiny. He weighed next to nothing and was see through and it was just heartbreaking. In the incubator thing next to him there was a baby that had been born at 23 weeks fighting for its life. It ended up dying but Gavin still talks about that baby now, it really touched him
Doctors do refuse to do 'choice' based abortions late on though. Tends to be only if the baby will have a severe disability or if the mothers life is at risk somehow.
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10-06-2017, 05:23 PM | #59 | ||
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My dad was born at 24 weeks, weighed less than 2lbs. And that was 63 years ago when survival chances were even lower. He's 6'2 as well .
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10-06-2017, 05:39 PM | #60 | |||
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Great that your dad survived, especially so many years ago without the technology and equipment we have now. |
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10-06-2017, 06:01 PM | #61 | ||
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I personally believe that the abortion time limit should be dramatically reduced anyway.
Anyone with kids knows that at that 20 week scan when you can determine the sex.That is a baby in there!Not just a collection of cells.24 or 26 or whatever it is weeks is ridiculous.You're killing a baby at that stage.Awful. A friend of a friend has had five abortions when she was young.That should no way be allowed. People need to start taking responsibility for there actions. I'm not anti abortion overall but there needs to be some stricter rules in place. |
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10-06-2017, 06:18 PM | #62 | ||
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At my 12 week scan mine looked like babies...not sure if mine just grew fast or what. Very upsetting stuff in the spoiler. Don't click if easily upset... Spoiler: I guess the issue with reducing the limit loads is a lot of people don't even realise they are pregnant until a later stage. I used to think it should be under 12 weeks. However...as most are carried out at an early stage anyway, it seems to kind of police itself. I doubt anyone would take the decision of a late abortion lightly. Even an early one is seriously upsetting, I can't imagine what it must be like to actually have to give birth to a baby you have aborted :/ Some really do seem to think women do it for ****s and giggles. A select few might not take it as seriously as they should, but the huge majority do.
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Shame something wasn't done in 2012 when Theresa May amongst others were thinking about it. Last edited by smudgie; 10-06-2017 at 06:24 PM. |
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10-06-2017, 06:28 PM | #66 | ||
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I think he was pretty much a write off, but he just kept ticking along. Like a few hours later they were like "Err he's still alive, we should probably start feeding him or something"
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Well yes, this is what concerns me about it, not the debate itself as such, but how ****ing early May seems to be doing what they want. I can imagine over the coming weeks/months the debates will get worse too. Maybe a few talks in parliament about how 'gays are abominations' and how May should remove equal marriage laws and such no doubt
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For it to have been announced so early I'd assume it was one of their agreements when they were negotiating the support deal in the first place. It seems to have been cobbled together pretty hastily... The Conservatives really did not expect anything less than a majority.
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10-06-2017, 06:42 PM | #69 | |||
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I fully expect the queens speech to be challenged to test the water. I wouldn't be at all surprised if we dont even get to a new session without having to go straight back to the people for another election. Last edited by bots; 10-06-2017 at 06:46 PM. |
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10-06-2017, 06:47 PM | #70 | |||
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I know someone who had an abortion at 23 weeks + 5 days because she simply changed her mind. Knowing she may have a tough time getting a late abortion, she simply lied to the medical professional who interviewed her. She told them that she hadn't realized she was pregnant because she'd still been getting her periods (lies) and that she'd been drinking a lot of alcohol and cannabis (which she hadn't). She was two days within the deadline and they rushed her through to a specialist clinic to do the procedure.
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I am fairly happy with this government tbh if all her controversial stuff will be voted down. So she will be able to do...nothing that she wants. No more bashing the disabled... So she can stay to sort out Brexit so that they cannot play on the lie that Labour ****ed it up (much like the lie that Labour caused the global recession ) to get themselves back in. Quote:
I'm not sure what should happen though, in cases where the mother genuinely does not realize until late on. Very very grey area for me :/ And of course, its hard to prove that people lie about it. Though there must have been something else going on than she just changed her mind. Noone in their right mind would chose to put themselves through that on a whim...
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10-06-2017, 07:03 PM | #73 | |||
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The legislation that the government propose to put through parliament has to be outlined in the queens speech and it is then voted on, on day 1 of the parliament. This is why a party needs a majority to be able to do anything. So, if they remotely try to meddle with Northern Ireland, it will get kicked out immediately. They just can't do anything controversial. What I am saying is that even without anything controversial in there, there could easily be enough pissed off tories to stop TM in her tracks there and then. Honestly, I don't see TM lasting a week, its just all posturing at the moment while the big boys decide who should be put forward to take over. Democracy does work, and disaffected Tories will vote down their own party if they think its in the countries best interests. With the way May has handled brexit, I would imagine there is a large queue of them. |
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