[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Clueless........really.

Not half as clueless as thinking a terrorist sympathiser would make a good British PM.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Clueless........really.

Summed up perfectly in 2 words there JTM45.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Summed up perfectly in 2 words there JTM45.

I take that as a compliment from some as they can identify with what the word really means.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Clueless........really.

I think Ill stick with the world economists view and not some record that's got stuck.

[joeysteele]

What is there to talk about and do a deal on.
Either the DUP will vote with this govt.and Mrs May or not.
What likely 'hidden' deals are being talked about and done with the DUP.

There is a simple question,are the DUP demanding perhaps controversial things in return for their support.
If not what's holding up a simple 'yes' to voting with the Cons in parliament.

I have no trust or faith in anything Mrs May does or says,I wouldn't put anything past her at all as to devious activity.

What is holding up the DUP simply saying yes,we are usually natural allies,you can rely on our votes.
What are they asking for that has things dragging on.

Sinn Féinn and most voters,have every right,if they do,to be suspicious and concerned at what Mrs May and the Cons may have to be considering to give to the DUP, for this dubious looking possibly,and worse still dangerous plan to have a N Irish party making any demands from the national UK govt.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

sadly 99% of this forum cant remember what being ruled by a socialist government is like

idealism is great but it does not pay bills

people tend to work that out in their 30s, generally

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

sadly 99% of this forum cant remember what being ruled by a socialist government is like

idealism is great but it does not pay bills

people tend to work that out in their 30s, generally

That infers that a Labour coalition would be hard socialist which is flat out false, LT. What some people seem not to realise is that there's a pretty large space between "all out socialism" and "tory austerity".

[user104658]

Also is no one else seriously concerned about Downing Street quite blatantly deliberately releasing false claims that a deal had been struck? "Accidentally" ffs, "Woops we thought there was a deal but actually I just fell on the release press statement button by an accidents".

It was a blatant attempt to manipulate the public and pretend that things are more under control than they actually are. Yet another backfire for May - things look more out of her control than ever as she's had to resort to telling porkies about the most basic of things.

[bots]

No deal is done until the deal is done, and even then it may not last 5 minutes

The tories are going through a process that they need to or they would be failing in their duty to the British people, to at least try and form a government.

However, all it will take is a small handful of disaffected tories to stop everything in its tracks.

What are the odds of a re-run of the election in the next 60 days? I would happily put a few quid on that.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

or they would be failing in their duty to the British people

This is what the Tories do best.
Shacking up with a bunch of homophobic, anti-choice, delusional creationist bigots is them failing their duty to the British people. Theresa May calling a snap general election to puff her chest after she specifically said she wouldn't was her failing her duty to the British people.

I could go on.......but if it isn't clear to you by this point.

[Kizzy]

This is on the rocks thank god

[Kizzy]

Can you imagine this shower of backward thinkers in parliament?... When she suggested it you cold almost hear the entire nation facepalm!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Can you imagine this shower of backward thinkers in parliament?... When she suggested it you cold almost hear the entire nation facepalm!

Entire nation!

[DemolitionRed]

Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

No I would not, and with good reason, there must be a clause in the good friday agreement that states that this power sharing deal is contrary to any deal on neutrality?... She has screwed up royally and she knows it

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I would not, and with good reason, there must be a clause in the good friday agreement that states that this power sharing deal is contrary to any deal on neutrality?... She has screwed up royally and she knows it

The entire crux of the Good Friday agreement is that both "sides" will share power, with Westminster able to step in with (supposed) unbiased judgement if there is a disagreement. The DUP having any sway over the government completely undermines the basic principles of the agreement to the extent that I would say it makes it effectively void. It's hugely worrying.

In fact it's so precarious that I would say, now having looked into the potential consequences, that the DUP (and Sinn Fein, but I doubt they ever would anyway) should simply not be able to enter into a formal or informal agreement like this in Westminster. Even that means the SNP and Plaid also not being eligible to do so as a consequence, then so be it. The consequences are just not worth it for the sake of political chess.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The entire crux of the Good Friday agreement is that both "sides" will share power, with Westminster able to step in with (supposed) unbiased judgement if there is a disagreement. The DUP having any sway over the government completely undermines the basic principles of the agreement to the extent that I would say it makes it effectively void. It's hugely worrying.

In fact it's so precarious that I would say, now having looked into the potential consequences, that the DUP (and Sinn Fein, but I doubt they ever would anyway) should simply not be able to enter into a formal or informal agreement like this in Westminster. Even that means the SNP and Plaid also not being eligible to do so as a consequence, then so be it. The consequences are just not worth it for the sake of political chess.

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

I saw this mentioned the day of the election results. I expect it wasn't spoken about before that as noone really expected any result except for a (large) Tory majority...so noone really thought through options.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

No one (NO one), from any party, not May, not Corbyn, just Kizzy, really expected it to be anything other than a Conservative majority... I genuinely just don't think it was ever thought through because no one thought the situation would come up. When it was seen as a possibility in 2015 that Milliband might be able to form a coalition government with the SNP, the Tories were dead set against the idea... it came up because it was seen as a very realistic election outcome. This wasn't, so no one even mentioned it. It's only now that it's a reality that people are stepping forward to point out that there are some very deep concerns.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But why wasn't this ever brought up before the situation arose - especially from the DUP and Sinn Fein. Didn't anyone think what would happen if either party was called to join an alliance with the government. All seems odd.

The DUP said they would never do a deal with Corbyn,i wonder why

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301…

If you were in the leadership of Sinn Fein, would you now trust May & Co. to be "honest brokers" in facilitating the negotiations to resume power-sharing government? The structure of the Good Friday Agreement has never been in such peril as it is now.

No I wouldn't then again I'd never trust a word of May's or her actions.

Also I agree with what Kizzy said too.

[Jack_]

I'm pissing

[Jack_]

The internet has been the best during this election campaign

[bots]

I think its genuinely laughable that other parties moan at the tories using the DUP for support when it was their pig headedness in saying no deal with the tories that pushed the tories down that path.

They each had an opportunity to soften the edges of a tory government and stated they wouldn't under any circumstances prop them up.

It is disingenuous of them now to try and claim some sort of moral superiority

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think its genuinely laughable that other parties moan at the tories using the DUP for support when it was their pig headedness in saying no deal with the tories that pushed the tories down that path.

They each had an opportunity to soften the edges of a tory government and stated they wouldn't under any circumstances prop them up.

It is disingenuous of them now to try and claim some sort of moral superiority

Not really.
Especially when the Cons have positioned themselves even to being further away from the Lib Dems now too.
On Brexit for instance,miles apart now.

The Greens,Plaid Cymru and the SNP all anti Con policy.

Maybe the Cons need to look at and question why just about all other Parties find them so abhorrent to deal with or support.
Apart from the DUP that is.

The Cons are fortunate in this election only in that the DUP did a little better in N.Ireland and moreso that Sinn Féinn largely replaced the SDLP, who would have taken seats at Westminster had they got MPs elected.