[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Will it stop me shopping at Tesco - yes cheap rubbish anyway.

Will it make me respect a religion that teaches sexism - no.

Will I continue to treat people the way I want to be treated - yes.

But you don't treat Muslims how you want to be treated.

[Withano]

How did twitter users determine they were muslim? Genuine question.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Withano

How did twitter users determine they were muslim? Genuine question.

That's like asking how do you know that Boris or Corbyn are numpties. even a blind man can see it.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by lostalex

That's like asking how do you know that Boris or Corbyn are numpties. even a blind man can see it.

Yh but what was the give away? Was there a quran in the background or something?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yh but what was the give away? Was there a quran in the background or something?

i honestly haven't seen the ad. i'm assuming they were brown or something.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i honestly haven't seen the ad. i'm assuming they were brown or something.

Same and same!
If it comes down to people kicking up a fuss about people of a skin colour being featured in a christmas ad, we should probably focus on the twitter users who assumed their religion more than the tesco ad itself.. that seems like the bigger story here.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i honestly haven't seen the ad. i'm assuming they were brown or something.

Of course. The clear indicator of a Muslim.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by lostalex

That's like asking how do you know that Boris or Corbyn are numpties. even a blind man can see it.

Here, here to that!

[lostalex]

literally, 5 racist people on twitter can get the attention of the british media to make a meal of it. and the british media will then act like they are anti-racist, while profiting off of making a meal out of 5 racist twitter posts.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by lostalex

literally, 5 racist people on twitter can get the attention of the british media to make a meal of it.

in a nutshell

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I like it when racists pretend that Christmas is anything but an excuse to get pissed, eat like pigs and get given presents for 90% of the country so they can feel validated in their racism. Christmas simply isn't a religious holiday for most people any more and to pretend otherwise is just silly.

The judge and jury on racism. beyond belief! Some ol, same ol hateful garbage. You accuse others of ‘hate’ when you have a pretty good grip on that yourself.

[Northern Monkey]

This seems to be a very small selection of idiots on Twitter.It seems there were probably just as many people complaining that the ad is being shown too early or vegans complaining about it featuring turkey.Since no more than 2-3 of the same examples are given of these overly PC morons complaining about it featuring muslims.
This is in the same vein as these idiots who go on about ‘cultural appropriation’.”white people can’t where dreadlocks cos it’s jus black culture”(even though it isn’t) or “Katy Perry is culturally appropriating Chinese culture”.
It’s all anti inclusivity and it’s seen in every subsection of humans.There are alot of idiots about.
If we are all going to merge into this one super culture that the powers that be seem to be pushing then we need to learn to start accepting each others traditions and there’s nothing more accepting than joining in.
Muslims that do celebrate Christmas are integrating which is a very good thing.

But yeah as DR said Jesus was more than likely born in summer anyway.For a start sheep would’ve been under cover in the winter and i’ve also heard things about the position of the star that they all followed being only there in the summer months.

I’m with Cherie,Alex and LT on this one.It seems Tesco were looking for this reaction on social media just so they could bleet about ‘how inclusive we are’.When else do they react a couple of idiotic tweets,They’ll get complaints every day.It’s publicity.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This seems to be a very small selection of idiots on Twitter.It seems there were probably just as many people complaining that the ad is being shown too early or vegans complaining about it featuring turkey.Since no more than 2-3 of the same examples are given of these overly PC morons complaining about it featuring muslims.
This is in the same vein as these idiots who go on about ‘cultural appropriation’.”white people can’t where dreadlocks cos it’s jus black culture”(even though it isn’t) or “Katy Perry is culturally appropriating Chinese culture”.
It’s all anti inclusivity and it’s seen in every subsection of humans.There are alot of idiots about.
If we are all going to merge into this one super culture that the powers that be seem to be pushing then we need to learn to start accepting each others traditions and there’s nothing more accepting than joining in.
Muslims that do celebrate Christmas are integrating which is a very good thing.

But yeah as DR said Jesus was more than likely born in summer anyway.For a start sheep would’ve been under cover in the winter and i’ve also heard things about the position of the star that they all followed being only there in the summer months.

I’m with Cherie,Alex and LT on this one.It seems Tesco were looking for this reaction on social media just so they could bleet about ‘how inclusive we are’.When else do they react a couple of idiotic tweets,They’ll get complaints every day.It’s publicity.

Money, money, money it always is!

[DemolitionRed]

I just watched the advert. It had a Hindu wearing a turban and a bunch of women wearing head coverings. They could be Muslim women but could equally be Orthodox Christians.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I just watched the advert. It had a Hindu wearing a turban and a bunch of women wearing head coverings. They could be Muslim women but could equally be Orthodox Christians.

Does Christianity require women to cover their hair - that’s news to me.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Does Christianity require women to cover their hair - that’s news to me.

Your kidding? There are many countries around the globe where Christian women are required to cover their hair. Start with Russian Orthodox and Coptic Christians. A lot of the Romanian women who sell big issue are covered from head to toe, including their hair because they are Orthodox Christians, not Muslims as so many wrongly presume.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Your kidding? There are many countries around the globe where Christian women are required to cover their hair. Start with Russian Orthodox and Coptic Christians. A lot of the Romanian women who sell big issue are covered from head to toe, including their hair because they are Orthodox Christians, not Muslims as so many wrongly presume.

I am a little confused by that. I am not religious at all so no expert on Christianity but I am pretty sure it is not a requirement of said religion in the West.

So that beggars the question does that have more to do with geographics and common views in certain countries towards women and their interpretation of how women should act/dress than the religion itself.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I am a little confused by that. I am not religious at all so no expert on Christianity but I am pretty sure it is not a requirement of said religion in the West.

So that beggars the question does that have more to do with geographics and common views in certain countries towards women and their interpretation of how women should act/dress than the religion itself.

It's not a requirement of Islam either, there are many (millions, I would imagine) Muslim women who don't cover their hair... There are still more Muslims than Christians who do, obviously, but it's more down to interpretations of it and culture than any sort of strict requirement. It's more that most branches of modern day Christianity are pretty "relaxed" about which parts of the bible they follow, and which parts arent considered important any more.

There are also many Muslim women who seem to decide to wear it when they haven't previously worn anything, and whose families / husbands etc. don't care either way if they do or not, which might be surprising.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i love the superbowl, the ads can do one as can the half time bollocks

but yes we want sentiment and tradition at Chrimbo and not some utopian wankfest thought up by some bearded metro-sexual account exec living in a bedsit in Clapham

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i love the superbowl, the ads can do one as can the half time bollocks

but yes we want sentiment and tradition at Chrimbo and not some utopian wankfest thought up by some bearded metro-sexual account exec living in a bedsit in Clapham

[Vicky.]

Well this makes a change from people being up in arms because apparently Muslims don't want anyone else to celebrate christmas

why are you showing Muslims celebrating Christmas in your advert. That’s just wrong, we all know they don’t!!!”.

Really...I don't know many Muslim families granted, but all of the ones I do know do celebrate xmas. As do most athiests I know, as Christmas is not really about religion these days at all. Hasn't been for a long time.

[user104658]

I would point out that there are rules about what men should and shouldn't wear too and what constitutes "modest dress", just that it tends not to include covering the head or hair. Generally, if I'm getting this right, (strict) Muslim men also aren't supposed to show most of their body (should always have long sleeves / not wear shorts / shirts buttoned right up etc) and also aren't supposed to wear anything "that shoes their shape", so clothes are supposed to be on the baggy side / nothing tight-fitting.

Whether or not the rules are always applied equally is another matter, I suppose, but that does apply across all cultures religious and not in my experience. A lot of people hypocritically expect more of their partners than they do of themselves.

Its fairly recent (and ongoing) that women don't have expectations on them above and beyond men, I mean we're talking far less than 100 years even, since men in this country were expecting / insisting on "modest dress" for women while going around topless themselves.

I guess the thing is, it took women themselves, from within, to say "no this isn't good enough" and stand up to it and the transition wasn't an easy one. Things are only going to change in other cultures when the same thing happens there... Which it almost certainly will at some point. It can't be "forced" from the outside.

[bots]

Orthodox Christianity does require conservative dressing from both men and woman, I have for example seen a man thrown out of a church while wearing shorts, but its moving the the topic away from the point of the discussion really. Everyone knows what Tesco's intention was, and it certainly wasn't to promote Orthodox Christianity

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Orthodox Christianity does require conservative dressing from both men and woman, I have for example seen a man thrown out of a church while wearing shorts, but its moving the the topic away from the point of the discussion really. Everyone knows what Tesco's intention was, and it certainly wasn't to promote Orthodox Christianity

It was to promote inclusiveness regardless of who you are.

[user104658]

Oh Tesco's intention is self promotion and profit, no ifs ands or buts. It's advertising. I'd have thought that was a given, really, but then I see plenty of people still fawning over the John Lewis and M&S Christmas adverts like those companies are anything but cynical profit machines like any other company, who are only pulling at people's heart-strings to loosen their purse-strings.

........there are good reasons I don't watch broadcast TV and have about 5 different adblocks on my browser and one on my router, I guess .

People are always asking me things like "oh have you seen the ______ advert yet?"... Unless someone has sent me a YouTube link of it, the answer is going to be "no" .