[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

All true.

yep

sadly so

[Kizzy]

Inertia... renationalisation? That is going to take some locomotion I can tell you!

[Kizzy]

As a diplomat you have to talk to subversives... you can't trot around the globe doling out bombs blowing everyone up! It's not a viable long term strategy.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

As a diplomat you have to talk to subversives... you can't trot around the globe doling out bombs blowing everyone up! It's not a viable long term strategy.

Diplomat AND caring. When it comes to Corbyn, people just put their hands over their ears and go la - la - la. He really is a cult. Scary stuff.

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/07...total-fantasy/

I guess he could give stirring talks at ISIS rallies, attend the funerals of ISIS terrorists shot by the authorities, be pictured whispering into the ear of an ISIS leader which is all exactly what he did with IRA terrorists and the cult followers would still be denying he was anything but being diplomatic and caring.
He's a wishy washy brown bread and open toed sandal nutter who had no influence whatsoever on any diplomatic talks with anybody, quite the opposite, except in his own head and the heads of his cult followers.
Diplomat.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

Diplomat AND caring. When it comes to Corbyn, people just put their hands over their ears and go la - la - la. He really is a cult. Scary stuff.

http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2015/08/07...total-fantasy/

I guess he could give stirring talks at ISIS rallies, attend the funerals of ISIS terrorists shot by the authorities, be pictured whispering into the ear of an ISIS leader which is all exactly what he did with IRA terrorists and the cult followers would still be denying he was anything but being diplomatic and caring.
He's a wishy washy brown bread and open toed sandal nutter who had no influence whatsoever on any diplomatic talks with anybody, quite the opposite, except in his own head and the heads of his cult followers.
Diplomat.

Now you're just talking ****e

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Now you're just talking ****e

Anything his followers don't want to believe about Corbyn is ****e. It's why they have the reputation of cultists.

But do tell why it's ****e.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

Anything his followers don't want to believe about Corbyn is ****e. It's why they have the reputation of cultists.

But do tell why it's ****e.

Let’s get one thing straight, Corbyn does not take the side of terrorists, he takes the side of something he considers an injustice he’s a rebel with a cause but he’s a rebel who is always looking at ways to find a peace process and the one thing that’s apparent to those of us who support him is, he’s the person who will stand up and fight against injustice and inequality in our society.

When Cameron was supplying arms to South Africa Corbyn was demonstrating against apartheid. When Blair was all for war in Iraq, Corbyn was on the front line of the million-man march. Justice is a double-edged sword. He doesn’t support terrorism and he doesn’t support ISIS but he is willing to stand up and talk about the cause and effect.

As for his involvement in NI... What Corbyn supported was the end of British rule in Ulster but he did condemn both sides of the conflict and he did put particular pressure on the British government to face up to the Ulster Unionists. It was Brooke, a Tory Minister who started the peace talks in Northern Ireland. Further to that, John Hume, an Irish Social Democrat and Gerry Adams, under a huge amount of scrutiny, sat down and started talking about a ceasefire. In 97 when Blair was elected, Mo Mowlam was asked by the Labour government to go to Northern Ireland and have further talks with Gerry Adams. Mo Mowlam asked Corbyn to accompany her as go between, which is what he did on many occasions. Regardless of what anyone says, Jeremy Corbyn played a key role in bringing about the Good Friday agreement. That had always been Corbyns intension.

Good Friday was, without a doubt, a historic achievement but it would never of come about if people like Corbyn and Mowlam hadn’t been able to sympathize with the Republicans. That though, doesn’t, as the right so jubilantly like to point out, mean that he sympathized with terrorism. He has always stated categorically that he didn’t.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Now you're just talking ****e

For the truth, we need to listen to the real architects of the peace process who insist that these men had nothing at all to do with it.

Former deputy first minister of Northern Ireland, Seamus Mallon, said “I never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all. He very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.” Sean O’Callaghan, an ex-IRA terrorist, said Corbyn “played no part ever, at any time, in promoting peace in Northern Ireland”, and any suggestion otherwise is “a cowardly, self-serving lie”.

Cowardly and self-serving: fitting words for Jeremy Corbyn, who has exposed himself as an unscrupulous liar with a warped moral compass.

http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-...le-ira-history

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by jet

http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-...le-ira-history

Oh come on, this is an article written by none other than a board member of 'Conservatives for Liberty'.

If you think such articles are vote losers, think again. The only people interested in this naive style of alarmist journalism are those who wouldn't vote for him anyway.

Whilst it may add fuel to your fire, it just made me laugh.

[Crimson Dynamo]

why am i hearing people on the radio call it Breg sit

what the actual fck is wrong with people?

[Kizzy]

I do think they're on a par yes, how do you define what happened on bloody Sunday?

You can't condemn one terrorist organisation, you must condemn them all and that is precisely what he's done... What's wrong with that?
You can't suggest one murder is worse than another, how is that effecting any peace process condemning one side specifically :/

[jet]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

I do think they're on a par yes, how do you define what happened on bloody Sunday?

You can't condemn one terrorist organisation, you must condemn them all and that is precisely what he's done... What's wrong with that?
You can't suggest one murder is worse than another, how is that effecting any peace process condemning one side specifically :/

What happened on Bloody Sunday was a one - off tragedy - a march that went horribly wrong. Do you really think the Para's just said to themselves 'Lets just shoot all these people for s***s and giggles'? No, they claim they were terrified and confused when the march turned ugly and were ordered to fire. It was all a horribly botched mess. That honestly sounds more likely to most sane people. Did that make them right - absolutely not. They killed innocent people and justice should be done.
200 million has been spent on thoroughly investigating the circumstances by order of the British Government. I'd like to know how that puts the Government on a par with the iRA.

The IRA campaign was a deliberate attack that killed and maimed thousands of innocent people, including women and children which lasted for many many years. How you can compare the two is beyond any human comprehension or compassion. But IRA apologists use Bloody Sunday to excuse the atrocities time and again. Shame on you.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

What happened on Bloody Sunday was a one - off tragedy - a march that went horribly wrong. Do you really think the Para's just said to themselves 'Lets just shoot all these people for s***s and giggles'? No, they claim they were terrified and confused when the march turned ugly and were ordered to fire. It was all a horribly botched mess. That honestly sounds more likely to most sane people. Did that make them right - absolutely not. They killed innocent people and justice should be done.
200 million has been spent on thoroughly investigating the circumstances by order of the British Government. I'd like to know how that puts the Government on a par with the iRA.

The IRA campaign was a deliberate attack that killed and maimed thousands of innocent people, including women and children which lasted for many many years. How you can compare the two is beyond any human comprehension or compassion. But IRA apologists use Bloody Sunday to excuse the atrocities time and again. Shame on you.

Of course not, neither do I think that they acted against orders.

[DemolitionRed]

If it was going to come out in the wash it would of done so by now. People are employed full time to investigate and dig the dirt on people like Corbyn. Where is all this evidence? where are all your sources of proof?

Nobody can make a claim about this sort of thing without proof.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

If it was going to come out in the wash it would of done so by now. People are employed full time to investigate and dig the dirt on people like Corbyn. Where is all this evidence? where are all your sources of proof?

Nobody can make a claim about this sort of thing without proof.

Proof of what? Corbyn didn't break any laws. Who he sympathised with and patronised is a huge matter of conscience now. There is more to come though, if a N.Ireland person other than me is willing to break it. I'm not, all I can do in my cowardice is post my absolute disdain and disgust of him.

So...Where is the proof he wasn't involved up to his eyeballs with the IRA?
There is plenty of stuff already out there that says he was, from all different sources - why hasn't he sued yet? - but it is just ignored because people don't want to believe it. The spin from his supporters/or those who just feel like an argument is quite horrific really, what they are willing to brush aside because it comes from the DM, or some other Conservative friendly source (though even some Labour publications have been honest enough) - or worse - they simply don't care. It was so long ago, after all - but all those people are still dead.

Where is the proof he had a big part to play in the Good Friday Agreement and the peace process? (His get - out explanation for his patronage and sympathy with the IRA). There isn't any, because he hadn't. He is telling a bare faced lie, and his supporters all believe HIM, not the N. Ireland politicians, not an ex - IRA man, not the investigative journalists, not even the Nationalist Deputy First Minister, Seamus Mallon, who insists he had no part in it whatsoever, and was an IRA supporter. What reason has the Minister to lie?

But we are all liars, That Minister is a liar, the ex - IRA man is a liar, the politicians are liars, the press are liars, the essayists are liars, the investigative journalists are liars, I'm a liar, all of us in cahoots with each other in some nefarious plot we have planned together. It's all lies, lies, lies, and Corbyn is alone in telling the truth (with NO proof to back up anything he says.)

At this point all I can say is that those who brush aside Corbyn's sympathy and patronage of the indiscriminate murderers of men, women, children and babies can stick him up their buttholes to smell their s***, which is as putrid as his. You are very welcome to each other.

[user104658]

Thing is Jet, had he said "I condemn IRA actions, as I condemn all bombings"... I'm not sure that WOULD have been enough for many listeners nor for the host who was asking in this case. He would have taken flak for including the caveat. The interviewer was pressing for a "no strings" answer, just a flat "I condemn the IRA" with no nuanced elaboration. His interviewing style was agenda driven and pressing / bullying for a manipulated statement and so that's why I too would have been very tempted to hang up on the guy. Even if in my head I was thinking "well of course I condemn those actions"... I would absolutely not want to cave and "give the guy what he wanted". Frankly... I think he was a bad interviewer and too personally invested in the question to whittle out a real answer.

But yes, he's a politician giving politicians answers and as you know those can't be taken at face value... But that also doesn't mean you can assume the truth either way? I genuinely couldn't tell you either way what his hand-on-heart honest personal feelings about the IRA bombings are because the answers he gives are pure politics... But that's no different from ANY politician. I mean, look at all of the politicians who vehemently denounce middle eastern terrorism by day and then sell them guns and bombs under the table .

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Thing is Jet, had he said "I condemn IRA actions, as I condemn all bombings"... I'm not sure that WOULD have been enough for many listeners nor for the host who was asking in this case. He would have taken flak for including the caveat. The interviewer was pressing for a "no strings" answer, just a flat "I condemn the IRA" with no nuanced elaboration. His interviewing style was agenda driven and pressing / bullying for a manipulated statement and so that's why I too would have been very tempted to hang up on the guy. Even if in my head I was thinking "well of course I condemn those actions"... I would absolutely not want to cave and "give the guy what he wanted". Frankly... I think he was a bad interviewer and too personally invested in the question to whittle out a real answer.

But yes, he's a politician giving politicians answers and as you know those can't be taken at face value... But that also doesn't mean you can assume the truth either way? I genuinely couldn't tell you either way what his hand-on-heart honest personal feelings about the IRA bombings are because the answers he gives are pure politics... But that's no different from ANY politician. I mean, look at all of the politicians who vehemently denounce middle eastern terrorism by day and then sell them guns and bombs under the table .

Oh seriously, spare me the spin.
You can go all around the houses to excuse and explain why the poor bullied perfect - one Corbyn didn't answer a simple straightforward question and you know what? - I'm sick of these shallow, excusing, goading replies that show no empathy for the dead -FFS, he was asked if he condemned the IRA bombings - bombings which indiscriminately KILLED MANY YOUNG CHILDREN AND BABIES AS YOUNG AS 9 MONTHS OLD!!!!!
AND HE REFUSED TO DO IT. Do you HEAR - REFUSED.
And you are acting as if it is a game - I wouldn't have answered either the way the big bad interviewer asked ME! Why should I?
But its not any children or babies you know personally or who Perfect Corbyn knew personally who were robbed of their whole life and destroyed their families lives forever so it's fk all hunky dory and glib and spin.
Every time I see that Corbyn ******* smug face I feel ill. I haven't got in in for him for no reason - he's a very unwelcome topical and potent reminder of what he was, what he is and the great person many people believe him to to be NOW, while he continues to lie and avoid and spin. And it is bringing back pain and anguish for so many one hundred fold.
I HATE him.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Oh seriously, spare me the spin.
You can go all around the houses to excuse and explain why the poor bullied perfect - one Corbyn didn't answer a simple straightforward question and you know what? - I'm sick of these shallow, excusing, goading replies that show no empathy for the dead -FFS, he was asked if he condemned the IRA bombings - bombings which indiscriminately KILLED MANY YOUNG CHILDREN AND BABIES AS YOUNG AS 9 MONTHS OLD!!!!!
AND HE REFUSED TO DO IT. Do you HEAR - REFUSED.
And you are acting as if it is a game - I wouldn't have answered either the way the big bad interviewer asked ME! Why should I?
But its not any children or babies you know personally or who Perfect Corbyn knew personally who were robbed of their whole life and destroyed their families lives forever so it's fk all hunky dory and glib and spin.
Every time I see that Corbyn ******* smug face I feel ill. I haven't got in in for him for no reason - he's a very unwelcome topical and potent reminder of what he was, what he is and the great person many people believe him to to be NOW, while he continues to lie and avoid and spin. And it is bringing back pain and anguish for so many one hundred fold.
I HATE him.

I think you're being irrational, you've inflated his words to make him sound like he actioned the murders personally... get some perspective for gods sake.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

I think you're being irrational, you've inflated his words to make him sound like he actioned the murders personally... get some perspective for gods sake.

Okay, so lets talk about the IRA and ISIS.
Lets say he was asked about the recent ISIS attacks on UK cities. If he was asked if he condemned them 5 times and each time he refused to answer (and it wasn't just on this one particular interview) and each time he said 'I condemn ALL bombings' but avoided like the plague mentioning ISIS specifically, what would be your thinking on that -
especially if you had seen him hanging around with ISIS leaders, all those photo - ops, attending their rallies, giving rousing speeches at said rallies and attending funerals of their lost dead in their war against us?

Just like Crobyn did with his IRA buddies. But it doesn't matter now - it was years ago in your mind....I need to get perspective according to you...

When it comes to IRA victims, it's just.... It was only the IRA - pfffff....that was yonks ago....get over it....forget it...forget your dead and get a fk'ing life.

As for your telling me to get PERSPECTIVE - how cold and heartless - I have news for you - NEVER!

And I'm still waiting for the historic proof of his massive involvement in the peace process, which was his excuse for fraternising with murderers....(on one side only, I add, any comment on that, eh?) - without it, his whole house of cards falls down...so YOU get some perspective for God's Sake.
From your previous posts on the history of the N. Ireland troubles, your lack of knowledge is a barrier to any future discussion anyway. You clearly know zilch about it, and probably even less about Corbyn's malevolent part in it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Okay, so lets talk about the IRA and ISIS.
Lets say he was asked about the recent ISIS attacks on UK cities. If he was asked if he condemned them 5 times and each time he refused to answer (and it wasn't just on this one particular interview) and each time he said 'I condemn ALL bombings' but avoided like the plague mentioning ISIS specifically, what would be your thinking on that -
especially if you had seen him hanging around with ISIS leaders, all those photo - ops, attending their rallies, giving rousing speeches at said rallies and attending funerals of their lost dead in their war against us?

Just like Crobyn did with his IRA buddies. But it doesn't matter now - it was years ago in your mind....I need to get perspective according to you...

When it comes to IRA victims, it's just.... It was only the IRA - pfffff....that was yonks ago....get over it....forget it...forget your dead and get a fk'ing life.

As for your telling me to get PERSPECTIVE - how cold and heartless - I have news for you - NEVER!

And I'm still waiting for the historic proof of his massive involvement in the peace process, which was his excuse for fraternising with murderers....(on one side only, I add, any comment on that, eh?) - without it, his whole house of cards falls down...so YOU get some perspective for God's Sake.
From your previous posts on the history of the N. Ireland troubles, your lack of knowledge is a barrier to any future discussion anyway. You clearly know zilch about it, and probably even less about Corbyn's malevolent part in it.

I would think fair play, I condemn all bombings too... I condemn ISIS bombing as well as drone strikes that kill innocent children that are written off as 'collateral damage' ... You don't get to justify one set of murderers as worse than another no matter what side of the religious, cultural or 'in the national interest' package it's peddled in.

We all wanted bombings over there.. we all have infant blood on our hands, Corbyn was one of the only ones in the commons screaming NO! and yet you class him as complicit... he has never advocated violence, ever.

You're delusional, you can't see you're placing blame where none lies and excusing those who state sponsored the annihilation of 100s.

[Beso]

Eds love will soon diminish as corbyn backers half in numbers as he fails to give labours stance on brexit cause its exactly that...brexit

[Alf]

I hear they're eating animals from the zoo's in Venezuela. That's socialism for you.

[Tom4784]

There's very little point in a debate like this if you can't seperate emotion from logic.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's very little point in a debate like this if you can't seperate emotion from logic.

Emotion and logic are not exclusive of each other. Emotions are often brought out more strongly when logic is ignored or suppressed.

I must say I find your coldness exceedingly chilling. As usual.

[Marsh.]

Ed Sheeran knows how to make a good bop.