[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, you seem to be under the misapprehension that because your sexuality has never been an issue or caused you to face difficulty/challenges in life that it's the same for other people. It isn't.

Nor has mine, and I'm not straight. Do LGB people still really face that much hardship, or is my little town just more accepting than others?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You seem to be under the misapprehension that people dont face challenges in life outwith their sexuality for some reason.

and that diatribe contains a lot of absolutes, some of which I have highlighted and i dont think you can speak for others or claim them as truth

You are just trying to justify calling people names because they annoyed you really

Well if you’re going to argue back with pedantics, a lot of the stuff you’ve highlighted there doesn’t illustrate your point of me speaking for the masses whatsoever. But it’s fine. My ultimate point is that I hope that the next time you hold TL’s hand in the street, you enjoy the feeling of not having to worry what people might shout at you or how they respond.

[Cal.]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by Rob!

I'll tell you exactly why - because gay people know what discrimination feels like. You as a straight, white male do not actually know what it feels like to have to deal with people criticising you because you feel a different way to the "norm." You haven't experienced the hurling of abuse or the caustic comments, the rolling of the eyes, or had to simply accept the fact that discussions like this are even needed to feel like you have a place in society that is just as equal as anything else. Gay people know what that feels like, and we know exactly how much further there is to go. And trans people have even further and so many mountains yet to climb. You may feel like we are shouting louder than needed and being oversensitive and you know what? Maybe there are LGBT people out there who should reign it in, because otherwise it makes them no better. But on the other hand, and sorry to use a rather extreme example, but straight white males or females aren't illegal in some countries. There are countries in the world that way over half of this forum cannot go to and completely be ourselves because we would be at genuine risk of being arrested, or murdered or both.
Trans people go through exactly the same as us, and then some. It's ten times worse for them because they need to actually alter their body in extremely painful and emotionally scarring ways in order to feel happy in ways that a lot of us completely take for granted. On top of that, they are subject to ignorant comments by people who genuinely have absolutely zero idea what they're talking about. You aren't made to feel like a freak, or a creature, or a skidmark on society for being who you are on a day to day basis. LGBT people are. And that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

Martin Luther King of the gays

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by reece(:

Martin Luther King of the gays

Martin Luther Queen?

[bots]

Kelly created much more controversy than India, that's a fact i'm pretty sure on. That was for a number of reasons including Kelly's background prior to appearing on BB, and the fact that she was early on in her development

My feeling is that many are being way over sensitive for whatever reason with respect to India. People have not been transphobic on this forum anywhere that I have seen. Not everyone is as clued up with whats "the correct" thing to say when referring to a trans person, and they are being insulted by the hounds when they haven't actually said anything wrong. It doesn't improve understanding of situations when that tactic is used, and it certainly doesn't encourage meaningful debate

[Tom4784]

It's always the same whenever a transgender housemate goes in although I can't remember it being that bad for Luke A but that just might be not remembering much of that season.

[Marsh.]

They all received this treatment.... from a small minority who think they're funny on social media.

They're not a large enough group to warrant attention IMO.

[Marsh.]

It's literally like Ann discussing the fact she's never faced discrimination for being a woman and never felt held back in her career for her gender so using it to suggest that women in the Middle East have it nowhere near as bad as they make out.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's literally like Ann discussing the fact she's never faced discrimination for being a woman and never felt held back in her career for her gender so using it to suggest that women in the Middle East have it nowhere near as bad as they make out.

Oh yeah it's "literally" identical. The Middle East is awful to live in for ... well, anyone, but especially women and LGBT people. But my hometown isn't in the Middle East, so I wouldn't compare it to there.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oh yeah it's "literally" identical. The Middle East is awful to live in for ... well, anyone, but especially women and LGBT people. But my hometown isn't in the Middle East, so I wouldn't compare it to there.

I never compared the two on that level.

I said, if you'd bother to comprehend, it's someone blindly thinking their own experience is the same for others and dismissing others plights in a flippant manner.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never compared the two on that level.

I said, if you'd bother to comprehend, it's someone blindly thinking their own experience is the same for others and dismissing others plights in a flippant manner.

The LGBT people I know have experiences more like mine than something from the 1980s, but I concede not everyone is as lucky as we were. Even then, one was bullied, but that's because he was a twat, being gay didn't come into it.

[Shaun]

Kellie was an arsehole... a mildly entertaining / interesting one but definitely an arsehole. So she probably had it a lot worse (including the fact everyone found her post-surgery pics hilarious on here)

[Marsh.]

Post surgery, more like mid-surgery they were bloody horrific.

[Cal.]

and that's why you're going to find people fighting tooth and claw to stand up for people who have to explain themselves every single day.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!1111111111111111111

[Gusto Brunt]

Kellie, Top 5 best ever CBB housemates. They should have put her in this time too.

[Vicky.]

Kellie got MUCH worse. I remember a load of members finding Kellies post surgery photos hilarious and posting them everywhere :/

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The LGBT people I know have experiences more like mine than something from the 1980s, but I concede not everyone is as lucky as we were. Even then, one was bullied, but that's because he was a twat, being gay didn't come into it.

Great for you and great for them.

But that doesn't really mean you get to call into question the hardships they go through across the world in all walks of life.

[Vicky.]

Lesbians in particular have an extremely hard time in everyday life from what my friends say tbh. As if not worshipping the almighty penis is a crime or something. Constant harrassment from straight men and 'transwomen' (In 's as they are not transsexual but 'suck my lady penis you transphobic bigot' types)

[Lostie!]

I remember people liking to say stuff like "ooh Frank's coming out now" when she got angry.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I remember people liking to say stuff like "ooh Frank's coming out now" when she got angry.

Tbf Kellie used to say very similar things themselves...always blamed Frank for anything bad in their personality and such. I also remember Kellie squaring up to someone (Frenchy?) in an extremely manly way, and I am sure Kellie said this was Frank too...

I came to the conclusion that Kellie dislikes themselves a lot and wanted to 'blame' the bad parts of their personality on something.

[Livia]

He was an arse as a man and now she's an arse as a woman.

[Marsh.]

Is Kellie post-op now? Like has she fully transitioned?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Is Kellie post-op now? Like has she fully transitioned?

I think so.

The personality bypass was successful.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think so.

The personality bypass was successful.