[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Exactly. I thought it was such an interesting conversation, watching two people on the complete other ends of the spectrum discussing and debating in an adult like manner.

Completely agree. Shane was brilliant tonight.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Exactly. I thought it was such an interesting conversation, watching two people on the complete other ends of the spectrum discussing and debating in an adult like manner.

It was refreshing and civilised.
You only have to read this forum to see how we all have different opinions...how many see the good in some and others see a totally different character. It's life..we are all different...we all have different agendas..different opinions...different priorities. We live in a democratic country where people have a say BUT someone will win in a vote and some will lose...how fairer can we be.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Youve assumed that all young people would be confident in lgbt attitudes across the country though. Theyre not really, they gain a consensus from friends or tv, and that isn't as positive as tibb.

So you think they would take more notice of Ann over Shane...I don't think so

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So you think they would take more notice of Ann over Shane...I don't think so

Stop moving goalposts.

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Withano

Stop moving goalposts.

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

you really believe Anne was speaking in a hurtful way? Not at all in my opinion, and if she did hurt someone they must be very sensitive

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Stop moving goalposts.

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

No goalposts have been moved, I don't believe anyone was upset by Ann's comments so it looks like we are at stalemate

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no i do not agree with you. Ann is a much more rounded individual than India and has much more to offer. She is not forcing anyone to agree with her opinions

This for me too.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Withano

Stop moving goalposts.

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

Of course she did....because many will disagree with her opinion. That doesn't make her a bad person. If anything it might open the minds of young people and get them to play an active part in politics by going out and voting for people to represent them in government where these decisions are ultimately made.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Of course she did....because many will disagree with her opinion. That doesn't make her a bad person. If anything it might open the minds of young people and get them to play an active part in politics by going out and voting for people to represent them in government where these decisions are ultimately made.

Agreed.

[Tom4784]

I don't really hate Ann for her opinions because I don't think she thinks what she does out of hate for the gays, if she did she probably wouldn't have agreed with legalising homosexuality. She is old fashioned and very religious but I don't think she actually has anything against gay people.

India tries to force her views on everyone, she's very unreasonable and DOES have hatred within her. I'd rather take someone whose opinions I disagree but deals with opinions that go against their beliefs with respect over someone I'd typically be in agreement with but aren't because of their methods.

[smudgie]

To be fair, Ann did say what goes on with 2 consenting adults is entirely up to them.

[Northern Monkey]

Also to be fair to Ann.She didn’t just get on her soap box and start a rant about it.She was asked and brought into a conversation on the topic.She just does what she always does and answered honestly and directly.

[BBUKAUSFAN]

Yeah totally don't agree, Ann is far higher in terms of a housemate then India will ever be. Ann is not afraid to voice her own opinions in a civil way and she comes across as very honest and lovely (even though i don't agree with her views ect). Where is every time India speaks i feel like she is throwing rubbish and look at me look at me style conversation which is not great in terms of watching people when they are so self centered and only there issues matter and god forbid someone goes against it.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Lets not make India a saint when she hates most of the community she is in

Thank you
How can anyone support someone like India who insulted Courtney to her face , double standards. If someone said to India the same thing she said to Courtney then she'd storm off crying . E.g " I don't like trans people as I have a phobia" which is what she said about Courtney and drag queens .

[poppsywoppsy]

I thought in tonight's programme when India and Malika were talking that India had no understanding of how badly she was coming across to the public.

I am not a bad person, when she has been exactly that over the last few days. She has bad mouthed the older housemates many times and sulked, shouted and ranted and made unwanted advances towards a man not interested in her. Then threw a hissy fit and went to bed. She refused to honour her word until BB made her and has been thoroughly unlikeable since the start.

Then she accuses Maggie of stalking her and is like a bad smell.

Does she think this is acceptable? On one hand it is very odd behaviour and on the other it is disgraceful that a 52 year old behaves this way.

If she thinks she is coming across well, she is in for one big shock.

[Vanessa]

I adore Ann. She has the courage to say her opinions and stick by them. And this is why she's my favourite

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I adore Ann. She has the courage to say her opinions and stick by them. And this is why she's my favourite

She was a nuisance on SCD though when she was the worst dancer there .

But anyway i think a few of the hm's are being hypocritical of Ann, they claim to respect eachother's opinions yet they get annoyed with her .

India has got to be one of the worst hypocrites in that damn house . In the same episode she herself was grovelling to Shane J over her drag queen phobia and her views on relationships ,and how she doesn't want to seem "prejudiced" yet she's acting disgusted by Ann's views .

The more India said "i'm sure we'll be friends" the less convincing it became.

I'm not a fan of Rachel either , for all we know she probably has similar views to Ann but she's desperately forcing the PC agenda , while setting Ann up to fall .

And even though these debates get on my nerves , i thought Ann & Shane J were calm and both mature about it . India & Rachel should of shut their gob's ! .

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Underscore

Yeah I love Ann's many faces n humour and I hate India's attention seeking and gross habits (such as scratching her arse on national television - ew)

BUT

when her views actually make me prefer India over Ann

do u agree with me?????

No

[chuff me dizzy]

Just take a look at yourselves .... Ann is a highly intelligent lady with her own views and opinions ( some of which I strongly agree with ) but because they don't suit your agendas she's the devil ? India huffing and puffing over Anns stand on lowering the sex age when it had nothing whatsoever to do with her"cause" Shane had a sensible ,grown up talk with Ann where boths views were allowed, no one shouting the other down ,and they ended it with no hard feelings ,just like 2 adults should do

You keep your beliefs Ann and fight for what you agree in ,then you can hold your head high

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no i do not agree with you. Ann is a much more rounded individual than India and has much more to offer. She is not forcing anyone to agree with her opinions

Nail on head.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Stop moving goalposts.

I believe she almost definitely hurt at least one person tonight with her words, that was our initial discussion. Her words were dated and would clearly have a negative effect on some people. You have anything to add apart from 'lol no'?

Dated is opinion-based and does not mean wrong. Current can equate to faddy with people often not thinking for themselves and going with the crowd. If people are so easily offended they are clearly in the wrong house. Your comments sound pretty snow-flakey to me.