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Kazanne · 19-01-2018, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

It seems quite low of Maggie to suggest she was involved in any way.

Thanks for that Jaxie, yes I was a bit shocked at Maggie for that, she's going all out on a limb with that one.

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

It seems quite low of Maggie to suggest she was involved in any way.

SHe made a bid for speaker of the house in 2009 she was hardly a low level back bencher.

Cherie · 19-01-2018, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

For one thing Ann retired from all cabinet office in 2001 to be a backbencher. In 2010 Ann retired completely from politics. She was never in a position where she would have had access to or been involved in the Rochdale case.

It seems quite low of Maggie to suggest she was involved in any way.

jaxie · 19-01-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

SHe made a bid for speaker of the house in 2009 she was hardly a low level back bencher.

And the speaker is involved in police investigations and court cases? Don't be daft.

Jamie89 · 19-01-2018, 11:08 PM

Maybe she'll get asked about it when they inevitably send in Eamonn Holmes as part of a task to ask them "tough questions"

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

And the speaker is involved in police investigations and court cases? Don't be daft.

No but you talk like she was semi-retired which is just not true.

jaxie · 19-01-2018, 11:10 PM

What I find bizarre is how quickly people will assign things to an individual based on air. This seems to be happening to Ann a lot and while I don't always agree with her I find it particularly unfair.

rusticgal · 19-01-2018, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pontyboi

Oh cmon would any sane person be like "Ann did you nominate me because of my participation in the Rochdale case?" ....bigger picture people.

I'm wasn't implying she should have bought the subject up 'because' Ann nominated her. I was saying she could have bought it up anytime if she felt that strongly about Ann's possible influence in the situation. Maggie implied in her interview that she could have done something in her position as and when.
It's no good Maggie bringing that up now...when she's had 2 weeks to confront her on it.
Just sounds like an unecessary accusation at someone who isn't there to defend themselves when she has had 2.5 weeks to discuss it.

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

What I find bizarre is how quickly people will assign things to an individual based on air. This seems to be happening to Ann a lot and while I don't always agree with her I find it particularly unfair.

WHat are you on about now? Is this the trump and Hitler stuff you mentioned earlier. Please explain further.

jaxie · 19-01-2018, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

No but you talk like she was semi-retired which is just not true.

No I said she retired from ministerial jobs and was a backbencher. This means she was an MP but didn't hold any job that would bring her into involvement with the Rochdale case. Unless maybe if she is was MP for Rochdale which she was not.

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

No I said she retired from ministerial jobs and was a backbencher. This means she was an MP but didn't hold any job that would bring her into involvement with the Rochdale case. Unless maybe if she is was MP for Rochdale which she was not.

And I say she was still a leading figure in the tory party not a semi-retired backbencher.

Cherie · 19-01-2018, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

And I say she was still a leading figure in the tory party not a semi-retired backbencher.

Labour were in power was it not their responsibility?

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Labour were in power was it not their responsibility?

Of course it was their responsibility but I'm not buying that Ann was semi-retired when it was going on

So for the third time - it was a bit odd that she never mentioned it to Maggie

jaxie · 19-01-2018, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well look,I am now a staunch Labour supporter however they were the govt.then
Ann was only shadow Home Secretary,who takes much notice of shadow ministers really,even if they should.

It's the Labour Home Secretary of the time who should have to give some answers to that issue.

Just as now, it should be the serving Home Secretary who gets the flack on issues as bad as that.
Not the opposition spokesmen/women.

Thank you Joey for showing fairness. I think she was shadow home secretary in 1995 which was quite a while before the Rochdale case came up and I doubt as shadow she would have been party to information unless it was in the press at the time.

Cherie · 19-01-2018, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

Of course it was their responsibility but I'm not buying that Ann was semi-retired when it was going on

So for the third time - it was a bit odd that she never mentioned it to Maggie

Did Maggie mention it to her? It's an entertainment show not Question Time !

jaxie · 19-01-2018, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

Of course it was their responsibility but I'm not buying that Ann was semi-retired when it was going on

So for the third time - it was a bit odd that she never mentioned it to Maggie

Well I know Ann is a strong woman but I wouldn't expect her to be psychic or a mind reader if she wasn't in a job where she would come into contact with information about specific cases.

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie

Well I know Ann is a strong woman but I wouldn't expect her to be psychic or a mind reader if she wasn't in a job where she would come into contact with information about specific cases.

Seriously? try again

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Did Maggie mention it to her? It's an entertainment show not Question Time !

On opening night.

bots · 19-01-2018, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Did Maggie mention it to her? It's an entertainment show not Question Time !

There is also the official secrets act that prohibits Ann from discussing anything that is not in the public domain. To enter into a discussion on a subject as emotive as Rochdale would be very difficult.

Cherie · 19-01-2018, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

On opening night.

And what was the outcome?

Cherie · 19-01-2018, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is also the official secrets act that prohibits Ann from discussing anything that is not in the public domain. To enter into a discussion on a subject as emotive as Rochdale would be very difficult.

Agree

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

And what was the outcome?

They talked for a few minutes then moved onto another subject.

Cherie · 19-01-2018, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GiRTh

They talked for a few minutes then moved onto another subject.

Right, seem fine to me hardly the place to discuss it given the families sensitivities I don't think CBB is the correct place to discuss such a sensitive issue

GiRTh · 19-01-2018, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Right, seem fine to me hardly the place to discuss it given the families sensitivities I don't think CBB is the correct place to discuss such a sensitive issue

There is already enough in the press for everyone to know wHat happened so I dont agree with that argument.