[Denver]

Originally Posted by Ja$e

Are you lying to try and make a point?

No all of Sarah's fans were at it then she drank in the house and became violent

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by Adam.

No all of Sarah's fans were at it then she drank in the house and became violent

No x

[MB.]

Imagine wheeling out "she's entitled to her opinion!" for someone being pro-conversion therapy though

[Kazanne]

How do we know this tweet is true anyway ? strange its just been picked up, people who hate are are so eager to believe just anything bad about her it's laughable and tragic at the same time,I thought witch hunts went out centuries ago,seems not.

[Jase.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Imagine wheeling out "she's entitled to her opinion!" for someone being pro-conversion therapy though

I swear I don't even see this level of insanity on Twitter

[OnikaChrist]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

As I've said a few times in other topics, the bible and most other religious texts are contradictory in nature and most people choose what parts to follow and which parts aren't applicable in today's world. If someone's okay with eating Shrimp and wearing different fabrics at once (both are sins, according to the bible) then why should they be protected from criticism on grounds of religion when they CHOOSE to follow the teachings that preach intolerance to other people? Their religion, their choices and their opinions are different things and none of them are a shield to prevent other people from having their own say about her views.

I defended Ann at the beginning when I thought it was just an issue of marriage but it's rather undeniable at this point that she has a massive issue with homosexuality. She's homophobic, ain't no two ways about at this point.

And that's that on THAT.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How do we know this tweet is true anyway ? strange its just been picked up, people who hate are are so eager to believe just anything bad about her it's laughable and tragic at the same time,I thought witch hunts went out centuries ago,seems not.

Because pretty much everything on the list has been discussed, including by Ann in the house

Just google "Ann Widdecombe conversion therapy" and dozens of articles come up

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How do we know this tweet is true anyway ? strange its just been picked up, people who hate are are so eager to believe just anything bad about her it's laughable and tragic at the same time,I thought witch hunts went out centuries ago,seems not.

I mean, you could just googl3 the claims

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Adam.

I just dnt think her history should effect opinions of a housemate

There's limits to that philosophy though, when someone supports the act of psychological abuse of both adults and children in order to 'cure' them of their sexuality, an act which comes with a high rate of suicide, then they are open to being criticised for that view.

[MB.]

It's fun to see how quickly people switch between "she's entitled to her opinions!" and "this isn't true, these aren't her opinions!" in a hellish, not-at-all-fun kind of way, I suppose

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's limits to that philosophy though, when someone supports the act of psychological abuse of both adults and children in order to 'cure' them of their sexuality, an act which comes with a high rate of suicide, then they are open to being criticised for that view.

For me i love her as a housemate same as Katie H but as a person i dont feel the same way

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by MB.

It's fun to see how quickly people switch between "she's entitled to her opinions!" and "this isn't true, these aren't her opinions!" in a hellish, not-at-all-fun kind of way, I suppose

Hopefully they are honest one day and switch to "well actually I agree with her!"

[Ant.]

Originally Posted by MB.

It's fun to see how quickly people switch between "she's entitled to her opinions!" and "this isn't true, these aren't her opinions!" in a hellish, not-at-all-fun kind of way, I suppose

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Adam.

For me i love her as a housemate same as Katie H but as a person i dont feel the same way

The fact that she supported a practice based on abuse says it all for me. I cannot condone someone by saying 'they're a good HM though!' if they support such vile things.

Like I said before, there's rightfully a limit to how far that philosophy goes before it becomes ridiculous.

[OnikaChrist]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

How do we know this tweet is true anyway ? strange its just been picked up, people who hate are are so eager to believe just anything bad about her it's laughable and tragic at the same time,I thought witch hunts went out centuries ago,seems not.

Ann herself basically confirmed in tonight's episode that she doesn't agree with homosexuality when she nodded her head to Shane J saying he isn't the type of grandson that Ann would want.

It's not far fetched to think that someone who doesn't support homosexuality also supports conversion therapy. Especially if the person at hand we're talking about is Ann.

[Vicky.]

I judge people how they are in the house, and had Ann tried to push any of these views down anyones throat in there, I would agree that she should be out for it tbh. But she has not. And has not shown any signs of homophobia inside the house. Her vote record is dodgy as **** indeed. But I cannot see the point in using it against her as a housemate.

Seems to have been a massive increase on the amount of people who do judge a housemate based on their outside life though rather than taking them as they find them as a housemate

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by HBIC

Hopefully they are honest one day and switch to "well actually I agree with her!"

Of course you know best

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I judge people how they are in the house, and had Ann tried to push any of these views down anyones throat in there, I would agree that she should be out for it tbh. But she has not. And has not shown any signs of homophobia inside the house. Her vote record is dodgy as **** indeed. But I cannot see the point in using it against her as a housemate.

Seems to have been a massive increase on the amount of people who do judge a housemate based on their outside life though rather than taking them as they find them as a housemate

and they will switch again next season depending on who they support

[Trip]

Ann used to write for the Daily Express - she wrote articles defending her belief in conversion therapy. I thought people knew about it, she's never been shy about her beliefs.

[HBIC]

Originally Posted by Trip

Ann used to write for the Daily Express - she wrote articles defending her belief in conversion therapy. I thought people knew about it, she's never been shy about her beliefs.

Let me tell you the next 5 responses you're going to get to this point.

"But it's not REALLY her opinion!"
"Did she write that article in the house? Then I don't care!"
"So what...did she personally convert any gays? Don't think so!"
"ann was just fighting the good fight against the lgbtq agenda"
"so what!? it's her opinion, tired of SJWs trying to use Ann's own words against her "

[Robodog]

"Don't agree with me? You must be Hitler!"

is the mantra of the pitchfork brigade.

[Underscore]

Originally Posted by HBIC

Let me tell you the next 5 responses you're going to get to this point.

"But it's not REALLY her opinion!"
"Did she write that article in the house? Then I don't care!"
"So what...did she personally convert any gays? Don't think so!"
"ann was just fighting the good fight against the lgbtq agenda"
"so what!? it's her opinion, tired of SJWs trying to use Ann's own words against her "

ON POINT

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I judge people how they are in the house, and had Ann tried to push any of these views down anyones throat in there, I would agree that she should be out for it tbh. But she has not. And has not shown any signs of homophobia inside the house. Her vote record is dodgy as **** indeed. But I cannot see the point in using it against her as a housemate.

Seems to have been a massive increase on the amount of people who do judge a housemate based on their outside life though rather than taking them as they find them as a housemate

I personally can't see how CBB housemates can't be judged on past circumstances to at least some extent, especially if those circumstances are what led to them being cast on the show (let's remember that Ann isn't just any old celebrity who happens to have the views that she does; she's a politician who's made a public career based upon, among many other things, voting on laws directly influenced by those views)

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, but at least I'm entitled to it

[Oaker]

Originally Posted by MB.

I personally can't see how CBB housemates can't be judged on past circumstances to at least some extent, especially if those circumstances are what led to them being cast on the show (let's remember that Ann isn't just any old celebrity who happens to have the views that she does; she's a politician who's made a public career based upon, among many other things, voting on laws directly influenced by those views)

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, but at least I'm entitled to it

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by MB.

I personally can't see how CBB housemates can't be judged on past circumstances to at least some extent, especially if those circumstances are what led to them being cast on the show (let's remember that Ann isn't just any old celebrity who happens to have the views that she does; she's a politician who's made a public career based upon, among many other things, voting on laws directly influenced by those views)

But hey, I guess that's my opinion, but at least I'm entitled to it

Very good point actually, never really thought about it that way!