[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

That's awful, one of my friends comes from quite a strict muslim family and he's actually considered allowing his parents to find him a wife just to not have to come out to them (even though he currently lives with his boyfriend ) And another friend of mine's parents kicked him out onto the streets when he came out at 16. I know those are quite extreme cases but yeah it happens, not everyone accepts it. Your example of footballers speaks volumes about society sometimes not being as accepting as people like to think.

It's really sad Jamie,your examples just reinforce there is more to be done to hopefully even just educate people this still goes on.

You and I are only 2 people, between us we have presented 5 examples of the devastation to lives as to just someone's sexual preferences.
I'm sure if we know 5, this is something that still has has a great number of people fearful of others thinking and reaction, of just revealing their sexuality.
Which is shocking in this day and age.

Which is why,it's heartening to hear no matter who it is,when it's learned of anyone saying they are gay or lesbian, to read of strong support within their family.
Such as Andrew's and his Sister.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It's really sad Jamie,your examples just reinforce there is more to be done to hopefully even just educate people this still goes on.

You and I are only 2 people, between us we have presented 5 examples of the devastation to lives as to just someone's sexual preferences.
I'm sure if we know 5, this is something that still has has a great number of people fearful of others thinking and reaction, of just revealing their sexuality.
Which is shocking in this day and age.

Which is why,it's heartening to hear no matter who it is,when it's learned of anyone saying they are gay or lesbian, to read of strong support within their family.
Such as Andrew's and his Sister.

Kids get bullied for wearing glasses and not the right trainers, gays are not exclusive

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

God knows what Amanda got an gay icon award for A lesbian wet dream?

Andrew is not even gay, but he can see that gay rights fight is still relevant and worthy cause

Andrew's sister, Bex, has this to say:

Go Courtney, go Andrew! final push for the win

Oh woopy doo,who cares ?,go teach your brother some manners.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh woopy doo,who cares ?,go teach your brother some manners.

Dragged up

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh woopy doo,who cares ?,go teach your brother some manners.

you clearly don't, but then again it is not all about you, huh?

some people do care as it happens.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

you clearly don't, but then again it is not all about you, huh?

some people do care as it happens.

Dont get personal

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Dont get personal

and you don't try to shut down opinions/threads you don't agree with

[bots]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

and you don't try to shut down opinions/threads you don't agree with

having an opinion that disagrees with the op's is shutting the thread down? wow, cool

[Marches]

But it’s a god awful thread why would scumbag Andrew Represent a community he essentially mocked on live tv to keep him in big brother

[Kazanne]

I will be honest here I don't believe a word Andrew says let alone his family, so I take it all with a pinch of salt, attention seeking at it's worst.

[poppsywoppsy]

Yes gay people have their difficulties

Old people have their difficulties

Disabled people have their difficulties

Mentally ill people have their difficulties

Cancer sufferers have more than their fair share of difficulties


But who are the ones making most noise about theirs?

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Yes gay people have their difficulties

Old people have their difficulties

Disabled people have their difficulties

Mentally ill people have their difficulties

Cancer sufferers have more than their fair share of difficulties


But who are the ones making most noise about theirs?

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Yes gay people have their difficulties

Old people have their difficulties

Disabled people have their difficulties

Mentally ill people have their difficulties

Cancer sufferers have more than their fair share of difficulties


But who are the ones making most noise about theirs?

OMG - a whole audience full of

[Vicky.]

Quite sure Amanda would not give a crap about being a 'LGBT champion'

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite sure Amanda would not give a crap about being a 'LGBT champion'

She's a nice lady she doesn't need a label to hide behind

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite sure Amanda would not give a crap about being a 'LGBT champion'

I quite agree. I think she is one of those for quiet life no matter what.

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I quite agree. I think she is one of those for quiet life no matter what.

Far better than throwing her toys out of the pram for any perceived slight

The lady is quite right.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I quite agree. I think she is one of those for quiet life no matter what.

Amanda has lead anything but a quiet life

I think she would not want a label like this as labels are mostly bollocks tbh

I don't really find this tweet too shocking. Brother in sticking up for sister shocker? Really?

I find the language quite odd if I am honest. 'I identify as a lesbian' rather than just..'I am a lesbian'. What is it with youngsters today and 'identifying as' rather than...being.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Amanda has lead anything but a quiet life

I think she would not want a label like this as labels are mostly bollocks tbh

I don't really find this tweet too shocking. Brother in sticking up for sister shocker? Really?

I find the language quite odd if I am honest. 'I identify as a lesbian' rather than just..'I am a lesbian'. What is it with youngsters today and 'identifying as' rather than...being.

Because it means they can change their minds easier at a later date? That would be my thoughts. Or maybe that's the less "shocking" notification for relatives?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Because it means they can change their minds easier at a later date? That would be my thoughts. Or maybe that's the less "shocking" notification for relatives?

They could change their minds at a later date anyway though surely.

I am a lesbian. Oh, I have discovered there actually are men I fancy. So I am and always was really bi. Or so on.

Identifying as seems so...wooly

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Amanda has lead anything but a quiet life

I think she would not want a label like this as labels are mostly bollocks tbh

I don't really find this tweet too shocking. Brother in sticking up for sister shocker? Really?

I find the language quite odd if I am honest. 'I identify as a lesbian' rather than just..'I am a lesbian'. What is it with youngsters today and 'identifying as' rather than...being.

Not really odd.

If someone is bisexual, I have come across particularly when at Uni.
A few would say they were bi but identify themselves as being Gay,as their attraction to men was stronger than to females.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not really odd.

If someone is bisexual, I have come across particularly when at Uni.
A few would say they were bi but identify themselves as being Gay,as their attraction to men was stronger than to females.

Yeah this, some people see sexuality as more of a scale, the kinsey scale I think it's called? Maybe they use 'identify' because they don't actually consider to be definitively one or the other, just strongly towards one, and using gay/lesbian is just easier, for them it's a label demanded by society rather than something that actually represents who they are.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Amanda has lead anything but a quiet life

I think she would not want a label like this as labels are mostly bollocks tbh

I don't really find this tweet too shocking. Brother in sticking up for sister shocker? Really?

I find the language quite odd if I am honest. 'I identify as a lesbian' rather than just..'I am a lesbian'. What is it with youngsters today and 'identifying as' rather than...being.

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I said 'I identify as bisexual/curious' it'd be because in reality it's actually a lot more complex than that and also ~I don't really like labels~, so it's just easier to navigate most people to the easiest to understand term rather than sit there and try and explain the complexities of something no one other than me cares about, or get into a debate about the usefulness of categorising sexual preferences. Maybe it's similar?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I can't speak for anyone else, but if I said 'I identify as bisexual/curious' it'd be because in reality it's actually a lot more complex than that and also ~I don't really like labels~, so it's just easier to navigate most people to the easiest to understand term rather than sit there and try and explain the complexities of something no one other than me cares about, or get into a debate about the usefulness of categorising sexual preferences. Maybe it's similar?

But its still a label

Just you are saying you 'identify' as a label, rather than are

'Identifying as' to me means you are saying you are something you are not. Like..I don't identify as human, I am human. I could identify as a cat, as I am not a cat. If that makes sense.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

God knows what Amanda got an gay icon award for A lesbian wet dream?

Andrew is not even gay, but he can see that gay rights fight is still relevant and worthy cause

Andrew's sister, Bex, has this to say:

Go Courtney, go Andrew! final push for the win

Trying to keep him relevant