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arista · 12-05-2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Very kind. I do hope people do not take advantage though.

Travellers used to come into my place of work which have toilets you can use without being a customer and they would block the toilets to everyone else so they could wash. I have seen them block a disabled toilet for 20 minutes leaving a poor woman outside waiting until security kicked them out.

Yes thats all wrong.
USA Starbucks
are keep managers/supervisors
updated on that kind of mess up.

Alf · 12-05-2018, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well unlike the tramps you can go home to your own private toilet.

That's because I earn my own money, sorry for that, but them's the perks.

Twosugars · 12-05-2018, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If people had some were to wash they would not stink if they had some were to sleep they would not be homeless if they had some thing to eat they would not be hungry.

It's humans that have created this word of rich and poor, and we are all to blame by being rats in a wheel.

Well said, sheriff.
If there were enough public facilities that wouldn't be an issue. And since there are not enough, it's very kind of a private company to open theirs. Good on them for showing some empathy. It's us, people, who make this world as it is, for better or for worse.

Brillopad · 12-05-2018, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

That's ridiculous, allowing homeless people to use the bathroom is not a political issue, especially not a partisan one.

It's an issue of empathy.

The drama created by a mis-judged decision of a staff member who called the police after two black men refused to leave despite not buying anything and using the facilities was a political issue though. And it is obvious that Starbucks fearing a backlash have now acted in a way that could eventually put them out business if customers stop using them because the toilets are unsanitary.

There is huge competition in the business and customers can easily go elsewhere. I wonder will you have the same empathy for the business if and when it goes down or for the employees who loose their jobs - ultimately due to the fear instilled by PC. Or alternatively will it make you and/or others who support such strong-arm PC tactics feel strong and powerful.

Matthew. · 12-05-2018, 04:10 PM

what about people with inflammatory bowel problems though, such as Crohn’s, Colitis, IBS?

exactly. you can’t tell purely by looking at someone whether they have one or not as it’s not a physical disability

Christmas Dynasnow · 12-05-2018, 04:11 PM

i wonder what members would do if the local homeless banged on their doors and asked if they could come in for a sh1te?

amazing how lofty ideals can dissipate like snowflakes falling in a river

Brillopad · 12-05-2018, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew.

what about people with inflammatory bowel problems though, such as Crohn’s, Colitis, IBS?

exactly. you can’t tell purely by looking at someone whether they have one or not as it’s not a physical disability

What about them - are they unwashed due to a lack of facilities?

Cherry Christmas · 12-05-2018, 04:14 PM

It won’t end well, the sentiment will be abused and people who pay 5 quid for coffee and a biscuit will vote with their feet

Alf · 12-05-2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i wonder what members would do if the local homeless banged on their doors and asked if they could come in for a sh1te?

amazing how lofty ideals can dissipate like snowflakes falling in a river

PJW did a video on this sort of thing the other day, titled, "The truth about virtue signalling"

Youtube video

Oliver_W · 12-05-2018, 04:19 PM

Starbucks have every right to let anyone use their toilets, just like they have the right to refuse access to people who don't buy stuff. People are also allowed to whinge and withdraw if they don't want to go in a room that previously had a homeless person in it/

Matthew. · 12-05-2018, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Brillopad

What about them - are they unwashed due to a lack of facilities?

im sorry, i dont understand what you mean - are you trying to prove my point or disprove it?

montblanc · 12-05-2018, 04:34 PM

i honestly can't believe some of what i'm reading but

Matthew. · 12-05-2018, 04:34 PM

because i think i know but i don’t want to reply with what i think you mean in case i’m wrong

Withano · 12-05-2018, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

I like how this has gone from a public business offering people to use the toilet to "if you don't allow gangs of drunks - not homeless people, DRUNKS - inside your home you're a bastard"

jesus, this is the first time Ive read through this thread. Its so weird.

Mokka · 12-05-2018, 04:39 PM

Starbucks was already on a decline in America and Canada due to stiff competition from competitors. The bad publicity they garnished over the story that started this didn't help. McDonald's, Tim Hortons and others now have espresso machines with everything Starbucks offers on its menu for cheaper. They are struggling and grasping at this point. McDonald's also provides free washrooms to paying or non paying customers... as do many others.
I just see thus move as them keeping up with their competition.

Withano · 12-05-2018, 04:43 PM

This is a good thing for thousands of people. If homeless people being allowed to use a toilet negatively impacts your life, I’d argue that you’re a bit of a ****. Buy your overpriced coffee elsewhere...

arista · 12-05-2018, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mokka

Starbucks was already on a decline in America and Canada due to stiff competition from competitors. The bad publicity they garnished over the story that started this didn't help. McDonald's, Tim Hortons and others now have espresso machines with everything Starbucks offers on its menu for cheaper. They are struggling and grasping at this point. McDonald's also provides free washrooms to paying or non paying customers... as do many others.
I just see thus move as them keeping up with their competition.

Good Points Mokka

montblanc · 12-05-2018, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

This is a good thing for thousands of people. If homeless people being allowed to use a toilet negatively impacts your life, I’d argue that you’re a bit of a ****. Buy your overpriced coffee elsewhere...

honestly

Greg! · 12-05-2018, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

No place for empathy in business.

Says who?

Greg! · 12-05-2018, 04:46 PM

Do people who disagree with this just rather homeless people shat in the street or something

Alf · 12-05-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

This is a good thing for thousands of people. If homeless people being allowed to use a toilet negatively impacts your life, I’d argue that you’re a bit of a ****. Buy your overpriced coffee elsewhere...

It doesn't impact anyones life, but it will affect their business. Like I said, buy shares in Costa.

Oliver_W · 12-05-2018, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano

This is a good thing for thousands of people. If homeless people being allowed to use a toilet negatively impacts your life, I’d argue that you’re a bit of a ****. Buy your overpriced coffee elsewhere...

this, tbh

As long as they're not in there with me (Starbucks usually has one person toilets, rather than bigger ones with cubicles) what difference does it make?