[Vicky.]

I do admire Greer in general, but she has some totally bat**** views sometimes. I can see where she is coming from, but I disagree..and branding would never happen anyway tbh, though the branding was a joke, not serious.

I can see where she is coming from because lessening the sentence may mean incrasing the pathetic conviction rates that we currently have, but I really don't think it would work that way. I do think rapes with injuries should maybe be tried under something else, given so many violent rapists get off with it, usually as so many rape myths are brought up in court...and so many eople believe that crap. Tried under ABH or something maybe...like the recent Belfast trial, a wound in the vagina that was bleeding hours later...like, even consensual very rough sex would not end in an injury like that and someone going home crying.

I don't know where I stand on violent rapes being 'worse' than non violent rapes though. Ranking different rapes according to how it was done just doesn't seem right...

So yeah, I see where she is coming from. But I disagree with the community service thing and think lessening the sentence would just result in still piss poor convicion rates but the few who are actually convicted getting lighter sentences.

[Vicky.]

I didn't know circumcision was on the NHS...is that not just when its for medical reasons?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I didn't know circumcision was on the NHS...is that not just when its for medical reasons?

Not in Judaism... I would think the NHS would only do for health but I'm not 100% sure.

[Livia]

We've gone way off topic, and I'm afraid it's my fault. Soz...

[Vicky.]

Yeah, there is never a reason for FGM..and its so much more extreme than male circumcision. I do agree mind, that male circumcision should only be allowed for medical reasons in children as I do not believe that parents 'own' their babies body, and I think it should be left to the child to decide if they want it done when they are an adult. But male circumscision is nothing like female.

I have huge issues with anything that parents decide for their kids before the children are old enough to understand mind. Like..I find it horrible when young babies have pierced ears ffs, so I think I am a bit extreme in my views about consent and stuff.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yeah, there is never a reason for FGM..and its so much more extreme than male circumcision. I do agree mind, that male circumcision should only be allowed for medical reasons in children as I do not believe that parents 'own' their babies body

I was circumcised at age 7 for medical reasons but I do agree with this, and for the same reasons, it's essentially cosmetic surgery if it isn't for a medical reason and NO parent has the right, in my opinion, to alter their child's body permanently for cosmetic or cultural reasons. When it's religious I think at the very least it should be left until the teens, for consent reasons. Also because it should really never be done under the age of 4 or 5. The foreskin is actually "attached" (doesn't retract) before that age, and removal before that age is what causes most of the scarring / damage that some people report in later life. It's a MUCH more simple procedure after the point where the skin can retract on its own.

But yes in terms of comparison... FGM isn't even close to the same physical procedure. The male equivalent of removal of the clitoris would be removing the entire glans (bell end, or "gerry helmet", if you will) .

[Parmy]

170, 000 cases and not one conviction.....


Lets all let that sink in for a bit.....now ask why there have been no convictions?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by parmnion

170, 000 cases and not one conviction.....


Lets all let that sink in for a bit.....now ask why there have been no convictions?

Is it something to do with the PC liberal left?

Or

As this isn't mainstream muslim practice, you're dealing with an even more isolated community within an already increasingly isolated community, so you will have trouble gathering evidence, taking witness statements, and then expecting people to witness against their own families with intimidation and honour practices (Which again, are abhorrent practices), just like any criminals attempting to cover up their crimes.

It's actually a genuine issue that would make a worthy discussion thread, but I somehow get the feeling that an honest discussion isn't what this about as there was no genuine segue on to the topic.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Is it something to do with the PC liberal left?

Or

As this isn't mainstream muslim practice, you're dealing with an even more isolated community within an already increasingly isolated community, so you will have trouble gathering evidence, taking witness statements, and then expecting people to witness against their own families with intimidation and honour practices (Which again, are abhorrent practices), just like any criminals attempting to cover up their crimes.

It's actually a genuine issue that would make a worthy discussion thread, but I somehow get the feeling that an honest discussion isn't what this about as there was no genuine segue on to the topic.

This has nothing to do with isolating muslims though, fgm is practiced by christians as well.

[arista]

"Rape is rarely violent and doesn’t merit a jail term,
claims Germaine Greer"

Yes She has a way
with her words.
She was on CNN Talk HD
the other week.

She was at the Hay Festival
this week,