[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Cherie

very disrespectful Nicky

i am very fond of elderly anyway

[Vicky.]

Again, should just be abolished completely. Rather than this argument that everyone else should still have to pay it under threat of prosecution, but those who have too high of a private pension to claim pension credit..should not pay. That sounds odd to me.

The only people who say it shouldn't be abolishied, tend to be those who will go on about how great BBC content is, so people who actually use what the bulk of the license is to pay for. They never seem to get that not everyone watchs BBC. Its amusing watching tv license arguments sometimes as it generally turns into the bbc people caling non bbc people greedy and stingey because they don't want to pay for something they don't use (or do use but would prefer BBC just used adverts like all others for funding, rather than taking 65 year olds to court to extract hundreds from them for a day of not being licensed..) but it tends to turn out that they think the TV license would be too expensive if it was opt in and only a few people paid. So, people are greedy for not wanting to pay it, however, if those who don't want it don't pay it stop having to pay it, those who do would have to pay more, so really they are kicking off to try and make others keep subsidizing it so that what THEY pay does not go up. So whos greedy really?

Similar to when you go for a meal with a group of friends, and that one dickhead orders the most expensive thing on the menu, multiple cocktails or expensive drinks while others eat/drink more moderately. Then when the bill comes, the overindulgent person will without fail say 'we are just splitting equally' as its 'easier'. And throw a proper strop if they are made to pay for their own, so others don't waste money on their expensive tastes..its always 'you are stingey, its only a few quid' or whatever. But yeah, greedy and selfish for only wanting to pay for what you eat/watch. Its cheeky really, for those who think that way to try and make out that the reasonable people are the ones being tight.

[Vicky.]

Also the 'dont have long to live' argument is both stupid and insensistive tbh. And some of these people might end up living another 40 years!

[Cherie]

and please dont tell me you are bringing Brexit into this Nicky, as many young people voted Brexit as well

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and please dont tell me you are bringing Brexit into this Nicky, as many young people voted Brexit as well

Well, obviously Brexit has nowt to do with this thread, but statistically the older people got, the more likely they were to vote to leave. So I kind of get where Nickys coming from there, except its.. pointless to bring up here at all

[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Well, obviously Brexit has nowt to do with this thread, but statistically the older people got, the more likely they were to vote to leave. So I kind of get where Nickys coming from there, except its.. pointless to bring up here at all

Yes George Osborne brought this BBC changes in 2015
before any Brexit.

Many Media Experts
have said it was brought out now
for Conservative Leadership race.
I doubt Boris would help out.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also the 'dont have long to live' argument is both stupid and insensistive tbh. And some of these people might end up living another 40 years!

true, some in Asia for example can live to the age of 114

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Also the 'dont have long to live' argument is both stupid and insensistive tbh. And some of these people might end up living another 40 years!

Not all these BBC fans being 115.

[Nicky91]

and honestly over 75's might have worked for a very long time, so they have rights of their pension money

and youth if they don't want to pay for it


then free tv might be the only good option after all


maybe BBC can come up with solution, of putting adverts between their shows, making their money like that

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

maybe BBC can come up with solution, of putting adverts between their shows, making their money like that

The obvious ****ing solution. Would ease pressure on the courts too given..I bet a lot of their time is wasted on this. When I was last in court, was talking to people hanging around waiting for their cases, and at least half of them were there for TV license

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The obvious ****ing solution. Would ease pressure on the courts too given..I bet a lot of their time is wasted on this. When I was last in court, was talking to people hanging around waiting for their cases, and at least half of them were there for TV license

incredible that the courts are taking up time with this rubbish

[Nicky91]

also for elderly it isn't nice for them to go to court, when they more want to have some calm days of no worries in their retirement

and btw BBC should pay more respect to the elderly, since most of their viewers for strictly come dancing for example are older people or various other shows/series on their channels

[Josy]

Horrible.

I visit a lady in a sheltered housing complex every Monday afternoon, she is 94 years old and doesnt get out much at all so yeah she watches TV a lot or I should really say mostly listens as her eyes aren't too great but it's a sort of comfort thing when she is alone, she only has 1 son who gets very busy at work and is away a lot of the time so really apart from her son, myself and a carer for 15 mins on a week morning the TV is the only company she really has.

I know not all elderly people will be so dependent but it is the only company some of them have and if they cant afford this licence fee then they wont have anything, you know what most elderly people are like they wont not pay it like some youngerpeople choose, that's not the way they are.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Josy

if they cant afford this licence fee

But its for people who do not recieve pension credit? If their pension was low enough, they woldn't have to pay still. I am sure pension credit is like 150 per week or something..so it appears to be only for those who would be able to afford it.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

But its for people who do not recieve pension credit? If their pension was low enough, they woldn't have to pay still. I am sure pension credit is like 150 per week or something..so it appears to be only for those who would be able to afford it.

what if you just miss out though, and who is to say they won't adjust the amount of pension credit in the future so more people are dragged into the net?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Pension credit is the top up for people only on a state pension I think? Like 40 quid or something is it not?

Ah, I thought pension credit was basically what you got instead of a state pension if your private pension was not above state pension levels.

Originally Posted by Cherie

what if you just miss out though, and who is to say they won't adjust the amount of pension credit in the future so more people are dragged into the net?

Well I guess that could be an issue.

Either way..should not be there for anywone, nevermind just letting pensioners off with it.

[Josy]

But yeah get it abolished completely it's a lot of ****e!

[Wizard.]

I think it is disgusting the way people are threatened over not paying their TV license like it's the worst crime in the world yet politicians can take Class A drugs and nothing is done.

[Josy]

Pension credit is the top up for people only on a state pension I think? Like 40 quid or something is it not?

[Oliver_W]

tbh at 75 onward, people shouldn't have to pay ANY taxes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

tbh at 75 onward, people shouldn't have to pay ANY taxes.

I agree 100%

[Firewire]

~controversial~ but the Over 75s who are "losing out" can afford to pay for their TV licence.

No one else gets any help to pay for it, so why should these rich oldies be any different?

TV is not a right of passage.

[Firewire]

Also, it works out at about £3.50 a week and for the array of content you get it's an absolute bargain.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Also, it works out at about £3.50 a week and for the array of content you get it's an absolute bargain.

tell that to all the non payers

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

tell that to all the non payers

They get it for free then! BIGGER bargain! Don't need it! Don't want it!


Except those times when they slip up and post on Facebook that they simply can't wait for Strictly and a glass of wine.