[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well lucky,you,Ive often come away from hospital without a clue what has been related to me. it doesn't bother me I just find it a bit embarrassing having to keep saying pardon so most times I just give up as I would never ask to see someone else.

Same ~ i rarely understand what my eye doctor is saying as he has a strong accent and talks very fast and i feel its rude to keep saying pardon, but i like him lots so i just get my special prescripton and see him next time
I don't care at all what nationality anyone is as long as can do their job and would not dream of asking for a white person .

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Afaik all foreign doctors have their qualifications verified and their English tested before they're allowed to practice in this country.
Idg where all these negative experiences come from. I've never come across a foreign health professional with problematic English

I rarely see.my GP but she is heavily accented, I was trying to make the point that she is white and still difficult to understand but I trust her judgement and have no issues with the care she gives.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well lucky,you,Ive often come away from hospital without a clue what has been related to me. it doesn't bother me I just find it a bit embarrassing having to keep saying pardon so most times I just give up as I would never ask to see someone else.

You have the right to understand so I'd ask until I understand.

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I rarely see.my GP but she is heavily accented, I was trying to make the point that she is white and still difficult to understand but I trust her judgement and have no issues with the care she gives.

Wasn't having a go, sorry if it came across that way

[Kizzy]

Yep refuse to treat, agree with that if your predudice is manifest enough to compromise your own health then there's no helping you anyway.

[Tom4784]

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

Agreed. The fact this "debate" headed in the direction of justifying this man by changing his words and insinuating different meaning on them says a lot.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

Absolutely spot on.
It's crystal clear I'd say.

[Tony Montana]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

QFT!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If this was actually about accents or something then they would have requested an english doctor, they asked for a white doctor so there's no doubt that they were motivated by racism.

Yup.

And tbh, from my experience, 'english' doctors have not really been easier to understand than foreign ones. I have in the past been sent people with very strong accents, and the likes of very strong Scottish or Irish I tend to not understand very well (though Irish, regardless of me being able to understand or not I could listen to all day!). Also one of the GPs in my surgery is English, and from the same area as me but tends to bloody mumble all the time and speak really really fast at others. The amount of 'pardon?!'s I have to do when seeing her is insane really. White would also mean he could be sent, for example a Polish or Russian doctor too, which could maybe not be that easy to understand either depending. And of course, he could be sent a black english doctor too. So yeah, definitely about racism rather than wanting someone he could understand tbh.

[Tom4784]

And he won't be denied treatment at the A&E, let's not make the racist out to be a victim here. He looked down on staff members and refused their help if they weren't white and THEN he tried to get the staff in trouble by complaining, overworked staff that keep the NHS affloat and whom we can't afford to lose.

[Vicky.]

Noone would be denied treatment in A&E with an actual emergency. Hell they even treat people who..are known serial killers/terrorists and such. So being a racist twat certainly would not make them say, **** it, let him die.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, he's been banned from a hospital in which he was racist towards members of their staff.

He's not been banned from the NHS has he?

Seems he's denying himself treatment.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And he won't be denied treatment at the A&E, let's not make the racist out to be a victim here. He looked down on staff members and refused their help if they weren't white and THEN he tried to get the staff in trouble by complaining, overworked staff that keep the NHS affloat and whom we can't afford to lose.

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Noone would be denied treatment in A&E with an actual emergency. Hell they even treat people who..are known serial killers/terrorists and such. So being a racist twat certainly would not make them say, **** it, let him die.

I was interpreting Olivers comment,he turned up at A and E, so how would it work if he wasn't banned from A and E as well as the hospital itself, if he presents at A and E in the future what will they do if they have to admit him? personally I think he should have been fined for wasting everyones time, hit him/her in his pocket, and eveyone else who rocks up at A an E for non emergencies as well, he was a racist twat yes, did he deserve banning ....not sure he did, just say we cant accommodate your request and you can been seen by the on duty doctors, then it is up to him, and far more humiliating for him (I assume its a him) to have to climb down if he really did need to be seen at some point

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I was interpreting Olivers comment,he turned up at A and E, so how would it work if he wasn't banned from A and E as well as the hospital itself, if he presents at A and E in the future what will they do if they have to admit him? personally I think he should have been fined for wasting everyones time, hit him/her in his pocket, and eveyone else who rocks up at A an E for non emergencies as well, he was a racist twat yes, did he deserve banning ....not sure he did, just say we cant accommodate your request and you can been seen by the on duty doctors, then it is up to him, and far more humiliating for him (I assume its a him) to have to climb down if he really did need to be seen at some point

A&E was where he refused to accept any treatment and walked out before later making a complaint about the non-white doctors.

The hospital have now banned him for racism.

If he showed up in A&E with an actual emergency in the future they're not going to refuse to treat him.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

A&E was where he refused to accept any treatment and walked out before later making a complaint about the non-white doctors.

The hospital have now banned him for racism.

If he showed up in A&E with an actual emergency in the future they're not going to refuse to treat him.

so whats the point banning him then?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so whats the point banning him then?

Well, he can't use the hospital in non-emergency cases, which would amount to 99% of his hospital needs.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so whats the point banning him then?

To put it as simply as we can;

If he has a heart attack they'll treat him. If he wants a vasectomy he's going to have to buy a donut pillow because it'll be a longer drive.

[AnnieK]

A girl I work with got a letter from our local hospital warning her that she would be banned if she took her kids to A and E for non emergency situations again. She was a very nervous parent when they were young and did take them a lot for things that a pharmacist could have advised on. She was mortified after getting the letter and actually relaxed a little

[Ammi]

...sorry I don’t understand..this incident of racism didn’t take priority over an ongoing physical attack...a zero policy is a protection of staff from all abuse, both verbal and physical...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...sorry I don’t understand..this incident of racism didn’t take priority over an ongoing physical attack...a zero policy is a protection of staff from all abuse, both verbal and physical...

My comment was in regard to the media interest, I have never seen a 'banned from hospital' story before, maybe there have been dozens and I haven't seen them though

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...sorry I don’t understand..this incident of racism didn’t take priority over an ongoing physical attack...a zero policy is a protection of staff from all abuse, both verbal and physical...

Yes that's what zero means Ammi.

2 of my cousins were Doctors, on times they were in a&e at times, they came across verbal and physical incidents.
Some were frightening too.
They no longer work in the UK though,having gone abroad to do their medical work after this government's appalling treatment of junior Doctors.

This request from this 'patient', was clearly fuelled from his own unacceptable racism.
I can't see how any cannot see that, if they don't.
Racism will come under the zero tolerance criteria too, as it is abuse in itself.

[bots]

i think we need to be careful and look at the specifics. I'm perfectly entitled to go to a hospital and request to be treated by someone with red hair and tattoos of Margaret Thatcher. The hospital is equally entitled to say that's not possible. If I then cause a disturbance because I am not able to get what I want, I'm at fault for creating the disturbance, and that's what I would be banned for.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think we need to be careful and look at the specifics. I'm perfectly entitled to go to a hospital and request to be treated by someone with red hair and tattoos of Margaret Thatcher. The hospital is equally entitled to say that's not possible. If I then cause a disturbance because I am not able to get what I want, I'm at fault for creating the disturbance, and that's what I would be banned for.

...you would be banned for the disturbance for sure...(...typical of you with your disturbing behaviour, bots.....)...but your demands of a specific medical person did not show a prejudice because of race, religion, sexuality etc...in this incident that was the case ...you were just unreasonable, this is prejudice ..they can’t be quite comparable in the same way...

[Vicky.]

That some people are happy with, or proud of being called coloured, does not take away from the fact that many many black people in the UK/USA have said that using that term to describe them is offensive. As such, its been widely known for a while that coloured is not a term that should be used for us. I get that it can be a bit confusing at times to know what is and is not offensive as it tends to change a lot and what one black person says could be the opposite of what others say. But still, coloured has been widely demeed offensive so..well I won't use it as I know that.

This does not mean I am trying to erase the culture of those who do chose to call themselves coloured, or that saying because the word is offensive to many means I am saying their culture is offensive or anything. Just that I acknowledge repeated requests from many in the black community that such terms not be applied to them.

This coloured/black/whatever thing is kind of not the point of this thread though. Regardless of what terminology this guy used, I would think that everyone on here (and its rare that we have a unianimus/nearly unanimous thread) would agree that such prejudice, especially in what is supposed to be an emergency situation, is ridiculous.

[Kizzy]

Maybe the days of categorising our friends or doctors by colour are dying out?

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Maybe the days of categorising our friends or doctors by colour are dying out?

Wouldn't that be nice