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Oliver_W · 30-12-2019, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What elements of Marxism? Marxism specifically talks about the negative effect of workers being powerless when up against business owners, and how capitalism will eventually end up where we are today (record company profits versus it's workers needing government assistance to survive because wages aren't liveable), whereas nazism specifically wants companies controlled by the state and it's benefactors. It's the opposite of Marxism or Marxist theory.

All far left stuff blends in a bit, maybe i didn't mean marxism

But again, facism opposes both capitalism and socialism, making it hard to place clearly in the left-right scale. Extreme state ownership is "extreme left" while the nationalistic aspects are "extreme right"

Kizzy · 31-12-2019, 11:01 AM

Yes there have Savid Javid promised a full inquiry into accusations of Islamophobia and that was subsequently shelved, how is that being accountable?

It was reported that the leader of Britain first would have his membership revoked as they know who he is, that did not extend to the 5000 extreme right wing members.

Crimson Dynamo · 31-12-2019, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes there have Savid Javid promised a full inquiry into accusations of Islamophobia and that was subsequently shelved, how is that being accountable?

It was reported that the leader of Britain first would have his membership revoked as they know who he is, that did not extend to the 5000 extreme right wing members.

where are you getting 5000?

oh wait i know, you are directly quoting from the Britain First PR machine

Kizzy · 31-12-2019, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

where are you getting 5000?

oh wait i know, you are directly quoting from the Britain First PR machine

Well yes, the spokesperson for Britain first asked their ranks to join the conservatives, why?

Oliver_W · 31-12-2019, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well yes, the spokesperson for Britain first asked their ranks to join the conservatives, why?

According to HopeNotHate, BF has approx 1000 members.
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/resea...britain-first/

Who do you think is more reliable - a spokesman from a racist "party" which was de-registered from electability, or an anti-racist movement?

Kizzy · 31-12-2019, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

According to HopeNotHate, BF has approx 1000 members.
https://www.hopenothate.org.uk/resea...britain-first/

Who do you think is more reliable - a spokesman from a racist "party" which was de-registered from electability, or an anti-racist movement?

Whether it's 5000, 1000 or 50 it's too many...and it doesnt explain why they think they are matched ideologically, that's the point :/

Livia · 31-12-2019, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

where are you getting 5000?

oh wait i know, you are directly quoting from the Britain First PR machine

Anyone can join the Conservative Party. But each membership has to be approved locally before the membership is active. Local associations have access to the electoral roll, the marked register and any previously canvassed voting intentions and if that's not enough they'll send round an Officer of the Association to speak to them. The Tories don't want or need the far right in their ranks, contrary to popular misinformation.

Oliver_W · 31-12-2019, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes there have Savid Javid promised a full inquiry into accusations of Islamophobia and that was subsequently shelved, how is that being accountable?

How many accusations of Islamophobia have there been? Maybe it was a small enough number to be chalked down to a couple of bigots and a full enquiry not being necessary

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It was reported that the leader of Britain first would have his membership revoked as they know who he is, that did not extend to the 5000 extreme right wing members.

Well they're not psychic are they

hopefully the other BF members will realise their views don't align after all and withdraw.

Kizzy · 31-12-2019, 11:24 AM

There were enough for Savid Javid to promise full scrutiny during the televised debates.

If the leader and the spokesperson thinks they align why would the membership feel different?
No they are not psychic which is why on receiving a request from 'John Smith'or 'Mick Brown' they won't be thinking ...hang on, is this the John Smith that was a member of BF?