[Crimson Dynamo]

[Amy Jade]

There is a great documentary on 'video nasties' on shudder iirc. Most of them were passed without cuts eventually and most should have never been banned to begin with, Mary Whitehouse just found it easier to blame movies.

Always makes me laugh when people say they create killers too, I have been watching horrors since I was about 7. My cousins let me watch Texas Chainsaw when I was about 10 and yeah it obviously scared me but I enjoyed the thrill, always have done and now consider myself a bit of a horror buff. I've watched absolutely tons of horror and I am a care giver professionally so far from a psycho with no empathy like horror fans sometimes get called.

I think the only movies I am against and feel deserve to be regarded as trash are ones where animals were killed for entertainment.

[Oliver_W]

TV shows don't cause violence, cancelling them does! Waynas Brothers was a good show!!

[user104658]

Having done a bit of Googly Research, it seems like the general consensus is that violent imagery in entertainment can inspire "the specific method" of an attack that would probably have been carried out anyway in some form, and can indeed trigger violent outbursts in individuals who are ALREADY predisposed to violence.

They can't and don't make non-violent individuals "turn violent".

I guess you could consider the former a concern but things like alcohol and drugs are MUCH bigger violence triggers... As are basic-arse things like road rage and "job rage". I don't see many people calling for banning frustrating jobs, cars, or (god forbid) precious alcohol when alcohol is involved in NEARLY 1/3 of violent crimes.

Interestingly... Something that does decrease empathy is exposure to REAL violent imagery. So that's things like LiveLeak... Or broadcast news. Ban that filth?

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Having done a bit of Googly Research, it seems like the general consensus is that violent imagery in entertainment can inspire "the specific method" of an attack that would probably have been carried out anyway in some form, and can indeed trigger violent outbursts in individuals who are ALREADY predisposed to violence.

They can't and don't make non-violent individuals "turn violent".

I guess you could consider the former a concern but things like alcohol and drugs are MUCH bigger violence triggers... As are basic-arse things like road rage and "job rage". I don't see many people calling for banning frustrating jobs, cars, or (god forbid) precious alcohol when alcohol is involved in NEARLY 1/3 of violent crimes.

Interestingly... Something that does decrease empathy is exposure to REAL violent imagery. So that's things like LiveLeak... Or broadcast news. Ban that filth?

When I was younger I used to look at stuff on liveleak, until I noticed I'd started getting desensitized to it, so I decided to steer well clear of anything like that. Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games and films.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dia.

Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games and films.

" Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games"

‘Rape Day’: A new video game glorifying sexual assault raises questions about regulation

A graphic new video game called Rape Day, set to launch in April, triggered a swift and widespread public outcry.

Created by an independent developer, Rape Day is a set in a zombie apocalypse, where the player controls a protagonist described as a “menacing serial killer rapist”.

Rape Day is a “visual novel” – players choose from a variety of sequences of still images that contain written dialogue options and prewritten story choices.

And the rape of women is encouraged to progress the plot.

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you could not make it up

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

" Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games"

‘Rape Day’: A new video game glorifying sexual assault raises questions about regulation

A graphic new video game called Rape Day, set to launch in April, triggered a swift and widespread public outcry.

Created by an independent developer, Rape Day is a set in a zombie apocalypse, where the player controls a protagonist described as a “menacing serial killer rapist”.

Rape Day is a “visual novel” – players choose from a variety of sequences of still images that contain written dialogue options and prewritten story choices.

And the rape of women is encouraged to progress the plot.

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you could not make it up

It's not a game that is on Steam, Origin, Epic, Nintendo, Xbox or PS4, nor would you ever see it on those platforms, it's an independant game made by some ****wit nutjob. That's like saying films suck because of stuff like A Serbian Film

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

" Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games"



‘Rape Day’: A new video game glorifying sexual assault raises questions about regulation



A graphic new video game called Rape Day, set to launch in April, triggered a swift and widespread public outcry.



Created by an independent developer, Rape Day is a set in a zombie apocalypse, where the player controls a protagonist described as a “menacing serial killer rapist”.



Rape Day is a “visual novel” – players choose from a variety of sequences of still images that contain written dialogue options and prewritten story choices.



And the rape of women is encouraged to progress the plot.



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you could not make it up

RapeDay was literally designed to be "as shocking as possible" so that it would go viral and make money from nothing. They knew it would be banned, and it's barely even a game. Do your research LT . It's like comparing a professionally made film to a YouTube video of a dog fight.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

RapeDay was literally designed to be "as shocking as possible" so that it would go viral and make money from nothing. They knew it would be banned, and it's barely even a game. Do your research LT . It's like comparing a professionally made film to a YouTube video of a dog fight.

there is always some excuse to try and pretend its not a problem. Oh its not on origin

ffs

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Dia.

When I was younger I used to look at stuff on liveleak, until I noticed I'd started getting desensitized to it, so I decided to steer well clear of anything like that. Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games and films.

For you that may be true.....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dia.

When I was younger I used to look at stuff on liveleak, until I noticed I'd started getting desensitized to it, so I decided to steer well clear of anything like that. Seeing real stuff is worlds apart from harmless stuff in video games and films.

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy [emoji849

So true. Sad aging alcoholics raging at world and trying to bring everyone to their morally-bankrupt level. Sadly too familiar.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So true. Sad aging alcoholics raging at world and trying to bring everyone to their morally-bankrupt level. Sadly too familiar.

Alcoholism is a disease. how disgusting to hate on a disability, imagine someone posted that about depressives. what a vile hateful comment

this hate should not be tolerated

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So true. Sad aging alcoholics raging at world and trying to bring everyone to their morally-bankrupt level. Sadly too familiar.

I'm not the one suffering from depression....nor an alcoholic. .aging yes. ...Im 50 this year, same age as question of sport...

Your response is typical of someone suffering from depression....blame others and refuse or refute any help or blame on thier own side.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

I really hope you aren't referring to me here, I can see where you're coming from a little here though, dehumanising media has worked it's magic in that regard. People don't just wake up one day and not feel empathy it has to be trained out of you.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

Yes i think you sum it up perfectly.

Also, thanks for all the replies, made for an interesting read. Im planning on doing a paper on the subject, so all views and opinions are much appreciated.

But yes, my view tends to lead toward the real life horror and gore, compared to acted horror and gore which effects the human psyche in completely different ways. Just talking about that video you mentioned Toy Soldier makes me feel quite anxious, something that has most certainly scared me for life. Whereas i've watched every video nasty, bar Faces of Death, and none of them effected me anything like the way that video did. However i agree with another poster who didn't like the real life animal cruelty in some of these movies, there is no need for that ever. But otherwise most of films on the DDP list are fun and trashy (some very well made, most not, some 'scary/shocking', most not).

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Exactly, I could play GTA5 all day and laugh at people flying through windscreens and off motorbikes, but I once accidentally saw LiveLeak footage of a motorbike accident where the guy was OK but his girlfriend who was on the back with no helmet was clearly dead, and I swear it felt like a hot knife in the stomach and the wail he let out still ****ing haunts me.

Someone also showed me a bit of "three guys one hammer" which is less brutal than even a mild horror/slasher film but it's scarred me for life. Horrific. It's just completely different.


Honestly says a lot to me that an awful lot of these "concerned folks" who think movie violence is awful, can look at pictures of drowned kids on the front of a newspaper and say "meh shouldn't have tried to cross, I blame their reckless parents". Jaded old farts trying to lecture others on decreased empathy

...I don’t know if you’ve watched ‘Don’t **** With Cats...’.../Netflix...but it’s something that I’ve just watched within the last few days...and it kind of fits perfectly with this topic..(..it’s also disturbed me a little..)..desensitisation is a strange thing because a group of people were watching someone being brutally killed/horrifically killed ...and some of the reactions, although of shock...were quite worrying also...how the killer had ‘desensitised’ his audience, if you like...how (..although horrified..)...they were becoming distracted with his ‘cat and mouse’ game...and yes, there was horror and upset that this person being brutally slain was a human... but he had just become ‘A human‘...as opposed to ‘A cat’, you know...?...

...even when someone has done some pretty evil stuff in their lives, it repulses me at the thought of watching a ‘public execution’ and taking any type of pleasure or satisfaction in it...and many people have watched beheadings of captives by terrorist groups, that’s something that I also could never do...


...but I can though...(..when I’m in the vibe..)...shoot the bejesus repeatedly out of zombies and the like in a video game...

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I don’t know if you’ve watched ‘Don’t **** With Cats...’.../Netflix...but it’s something that I’ve just watched within the last few days...and it kind of fits perfectly with this topic..(..it’s also disturbed me a little..)..desensitisation is a strange thing because a group of people were watching someone being brutally killed/horrifically killed ...and some of the reactions, although of shock...were quite worrying also...how the killer had ‘desensitised’ his audience, if you like...how (..although horrified..)...they were becoming distracted with his ‘cat and mouse’ game...and yes, there was horror and upset that this person being brutally slain was a human... but he had just become ‘A human‘...as opposed to ‘A cat’, you know...?...

...even when someone has done some pretty evil stuff in their lives, it repulses me at the thought of watching a ‘public execution’ and taking any type of pleasure or satisfaction in it...and many people have watched beheadings of captives by terrorist groups, that’s something that I also could never do...


...but I can though...(..when I’m in the vibe..)...shoot the bejesus repeatedly out of zombies and the like in a video game...

With that 'Don't ******* with Cats' its a little more disturbing because it's based on a real story (which I disagree with, giving people like that the spotlight encourages more to do the same)

[AnnieK]

Originally, there were I think 39 banned video nasties which the BBFC decided should be banned once certifications came in. The original pre cert films still exist and go for a lot of money. My ex was an avid collector of pre cert vhs tapes, the big money was in the banned "Nasties". A lot of them were just that too...nasty and absolute rubbish. But worth £1000s

[Kizzy]

If there is a very distinct differential then why do film makers now try more inventive ways to turn peoples stomachs?
It's only acting, yet if there is a physiological response to that acting then how can we be 100% certain there couldn't be a psychological one?

What makes us sick in these instances, is it a response to a visual image that creates extreme anxiety and that manifests physically?
Sounds like how I would describe a symptom of PTSD.

Ive been thinking about this for a long time and that's the only thing I can put it down to then if they affect me and some in a certain way and not others, as a response to past trauma?

I'm not wrong to feel like that nor is it wrong to express that that is how I feel about the subject.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If there is a very distinct differential then why do film makers now try more inventive ways to turn peoples stomachs?
It's only acting, yet if there is a physiological response to that acting then how can we be 100% certain there couldn't be a psychological one?

What makes us sick in these instances, is it a response to a visual image that creates extreme anxiety and that manifests physically?
Sounds like how I would describe a symptom of PTSD.

Ive been thinking about this for a long time and that's the only thing I can put it down to then if they affect me and some in a certain way and not others, as a response to past trauma?

I'm not wrong to feel like that nor is it wrong to express that that is how I feel about the subject.

Like I said...everyone reacts differently to certain things.

Good post.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If there is a very distinct differential then why do film makers now try more inventive ways to turn peoples stomachs?
It's only acting, yet if there is a physiological response to that acting then how can we be 100% certain there couldn't be a psychological one?

What makes us sick in these instances, is it a response to a visual image that creates extreme anxiety and that manifests physically?
Sounds like how I would describe a symptom of PTSD.

Ive been thinking about this for a long time and that's the only thing I can put it down to then if they affect me and some in a certain way and not others, as a response to past trauma?

I'm not wrong to feel like that nor is it wrong to express that that is how I feel about the subject.

Well, "triggering" is obviously a real thing, by its actual original definition... the word has been thrown around so much in recent years its become meaningless... But yes some people will find certain things / certain images bring up memories of past real life experiences and that's why I think it's important for people to be personally aware of the things they can and can't watch. That could apply to any genre though; someone who has been in a near-fatal car crash might have a tough time playing racing games or watching a "Fast & Furious" film... Or, someone who has been badly affected by a cheating partner might be retraumatised by a film about an affair. Ex drug users with films that show heavy drug use. Etc etc.

But it is all linked to real life experiences... No one gets scared of real driving because they saw a bad crash in a film. People don't become suspicious/jealous/controlling in relationships because they watched too many soaps with cheating couples in them. And non-violent people don't turn violent because they played GTA.

I don't think we can start banning and restricting things in sweeping motions based on it affecting some viewers because where does it end? There hypothetically is a point where its "a step too far" - the game LT mentioned is one, and there have in fact been other "rape simulation" games before which obviously should not exist and no publisher would release them - so no mainstream or published indie film or game falls into that category, it's all self-published trash so it's really a completely separate thing and harder to address.

[Kizzy]

Well I can't comment on the cat film as I'm too much of a wuss to watch it
In real life situations though can any of it be a product of desensitisation, from MPs baying for military action in response to agression that will affect civilians to refugee children lying dead on beaches... how much of that has a basis in desensitisation?
We don't know, but can we hand on heart say none?

I'm an extreme case I know that, I can't even watch zombie films and I know that's irrational as they dont even exist! I can't play shooting games at all because I can't handle the feeling of being hunted, and it's always been like that its not something I've come to in middle age.

[Ammi]

....that’s always the interesting thing with stuff like CBT...how we can ‘make sense of and associate’ so much when we mind-map ourselves and trace our thought processes...it’s something that we tend to not do that often, if it all.....but it’s amazing how much would make perfect sense, fitted to our life experiences/fears etc ...and our ‘quirks’, if you like...well, it’s all our individuality...