[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Josy

I never said anyone has been alive for centuries but hate and prejudice certainly has

Also wouldn't say things had moved on so much when we still have people saying hate speech is ok and should be allowed

Anyone can be hateful, it's not restricted to white straight cis people.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Anyone can be hateful, it's not restricted to white straight cis people.

No one said it is? What an odd comment

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

The words she chooses to use is not part of her DNA or culture so no, not even close

What you talking about? I don't know what you're saying.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

No-one has been alive for centuries. Things have moved on, we're not our ancestors. Class/wealth has more impact on people's lives than their race. Otherwise, the playing field is basically level.

Bit in bold, in the absolute most basic sense yes, but if you don't realise that there is an absolutely massive disparency in class and wealth based on race... You're not paying attention.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Bit in bold, in the absolute most basic sense yes, but if you don't realise that there is an absolutely massive disparency in class and wealth based on race... You're not paying attention.

Sure, but the difficulties a poor black person would face are the same ones a poor white person would face.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

What you talking about? I don't know what you're saying.

Katie is hated for her life choices. It’s not a hate crime until she’s hated for something that she has no control over.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

And even calling someone fat and ugly can lead to them taking their own life.

If someone kills themselves over a bit of name-calling, they're probably messed up anyway and should have been institutionalised or at least given proper help before that could be allowed to happen.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not what's happening though, one person is not offended many are... What is the issue is the opinions and views of those who have spoken out against certain topics relating to the trans community and being vilified for it.
As seen here being investigated, losing work, receiving death and rape threats.

The issue is that people are vilified for their views, the views themselves aren't a valid thing to be an issue.
It's ridiculous that statements like "I don't want biological males in female spaces" are tarred with the same brush as "transpeople should be killed"

[Twosugars]

Yeah lock up the vulnerable. As long as hate merchants have all the freedom to abuse!

The law is right, hate speech is a crime.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Yeah lock up the vulnerable. As long as hate merchants have all the freedom to abuse!

Do you think someone who'd kill themself over words should be left unsupervised?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sure, but the difficulties a poor black person would face are the same ones a poor white person would face.

That's not true, if it were why the discrepancy in stop and search? There is perdjudice and stereotyping to factor in.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Do you think someone who'd kill themself over words should be left unsupervised?

The extend of ignorance in this post makes any dialogue pointless.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not true, if it were why the discrepancy in stop and search? There is perdjudice and stereotyping to factor in.

Are financially disadvantaged black people statistically more likely to be carrying something they shouldn't than a financially disadvantaged white person?

[Livia]

Young black and ethnic men are more likely to be involved in knife crime both as perpetrators and as victims. That's a fact.

As stop and search has fallen, knife crime has risen. Speaks for itself.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Are financially disadvantaged black people statistically more likely to be carrying something they shouldn't than a financially disadvantaged white person?

That wasn't your point.. your point was the issues they face are the same, they are not as white poor don't have the added predudice and stereotyping do they?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If someone kills themselves over a bit of name-calling, they're probably messed up anyway and should have been institutionalised or at least given proper help before that could be allowed to happen.


The issue is that people are vilified for their views, the views themselves aren't a valid thing to be an issue.
It's ridiculous that statements like "I don't want biological males in female spaces" are tarred with the same brush as "transpeople should be killed"

It’s usually kids that kill themselves after being targeted by other kids.

I think you are talking sh1t.

[Livia]

All's well for the white poor. Well, that's a relief.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That wasn't your point.. your point was the issues they face are the same, they are not as white poor don't have the added predudice and stereotyping do they?

Being stopped and search isn't a huge hardship. If they just play along, they'll probably fotlrget all about it after an hour. S+S isn't exclusively a black issue, it happens to whites too, so they do face the same issues.

[The Slim Reaper]

As the false tropes about knife crime have appeared again, posting this again.

Youtube video

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

As the false tropes about knife crime have appeared again, posting this again.

Youtube video

Got a transcript or tl;dr?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Got a transcript or tl;dr?

TLDR there are more important social indicators across the whole world, than being black/ethnic???? equals stabby stabby stab stab.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

TLDR there are more important social indicators across the whole world, than being black/ethnic???? equals stabby stabby stab stab.

What do things across the whole world have to do with stabbings in London? What was his actual point, and does it show or suggest the crime rates have been misinterpreted?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Being stopped and search isn't a huge hardship. If they just play along, they'll probably fotlrget all about it after an hour. S+S isn't exclusively a black issue, it happens to whites too, so they do face the same issues.

Only 4 mins. Give it a watch and see if changes your opinion.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What do things across the whole world have to do with stabbings in London? What was his actual point, and does it show or suggest the crime rates have been misinterpreted?

Because those same indicators in London are prevalent in the favelas of brazil or the run down areas of Liverpool or Glasgow etc.
This is relevant because Glasgow actually had a worse knife Crime epidemic than London (per capita), and they addressed it successfully.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Only 4 mins. Give it a watch and see if changes your opinion.

Eh, the way he presents it means we have to just accept black people are regularly thrown against the wall and over the car hood for no reason. I appreciate he was (probably) just using colourful language, but the pudding felt over-egged.

I take his point though - people might be pissed off at being needlessly searched, so try to run away, and get arrest for that. I'd be interested to see percentages of "black crime" which show evading arrest and knife/drug offences.

Thank god it was subtitled, his voice really pisses me off lol

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Because those same indicators in London are prevalent in the favelas of brazil or the run down areas of Liverpool or Glasgow etc.

And what are those indicators?

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This is relevant because Glasgow actually had a worse knife Crime epidemic than London (per capita), and they addressed it successfully.

How did they do that?