[Samm]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Theresa May, they ALLOWED to take over from Cameron because they knew the position was ultimately doomed; if you'll cast your mind back, no one in the boy's club wanted to be PM in 2016 and it was basically handed to May like a lamb to the slaughter, for her to inevitablty fail, leave literally crying, and have someone who vocally didn't want the position in 2016 swoop in and take it once the initial Brexit flak had been absorbed. So progressive.

Thatcher wasn't even biologically human.

exactly that

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i didn't vote for anyone in the general election and i am on record in this very forum criticising boris when i felt it was appropriate to do so, so i think that makes me tied to no party and capable of having my own political views not aligned with party politics. Before you feel like attacking me again, can you say the same?

I know you say you're critical of both parties, but that's not really the case is it? I don't have a problem with you going after labour politicians/policies either, because we all feel how we feel, just don't pretend to swim down the middle. I asked you a question, I didn't "attack" you.

[Oliver_W]

This is random but I wonder if Dawn Butler's position will remain. As far as I know, (Shadow/) Minister for Women or whatever is usually tied in with another (Shadow/) Ministerial role. It smells of tokenism that she was given the sole title, after resigning from the token role of Shadow Minister for Diverse Communities, which as far as I know doesn't even have a real counterpart.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

This is random but I wonder if Dawn Butler's position will remain. As far as I know, (Shadow/) Minister for Women or whatever is usually tied in with another (Shadow/) Ministerial role. It smells of tokenism that she was given the sole title, after resigning from the token role of Shadow Minister for Diverse Communities, which as far as I know doesn't even have a real counterpart.

yeah, it's in the name ... shadow .... they are supposed to shadow someone from the government and keep them on their toes

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I know you say you're critical of both parties, but that's not really the case is it? I don't have a problem with you going after labour politicians/policies either, because we all feel how we feel, just don't pretend to swim down the middle. I asked you a question, I didn't "attack" you.

i never claimed to swim down the middle, i just don't have any affiliation with any of the current parties. I dislike them all intensely for different reasons.

What is the middle, it means nothing in relation to ones own politics if one has no affiliation, they are what they are

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yeah, it's in the name ... shadow .... they are supposed to shadow someone from the government and keep them on their toes

Honestly I don't even care that the roles didn't have a singular counterpart, I'm all for having some to stand up for women and minorities from across the benches. But giving it to Butler and not someone stronger makes it feel disingenuous.

[arista]

Ed Miliband returns to the Front bench
Shadow Business

SkyNewsHD


Rebecca Long Bailey becomes Shadow Education

David Lammy - Shadow Justice

Emily Thornberry - International Business

Lord Falconer Attorney General

[Oliver_W]

RBL was always going to have a role, I'm happy for it to be education.

Di-Man Abbott for Justice? God no.

[Kizzy]

Hmm not a fan of Thornberry or reeves tbh.

[Oliver_W]

Dawn Butler has been replaced by Marsha de Cordova!

I wonder if the BBC will notice the change

[reece(:]

The shadow cabinet in full

• Keir Starmer, leader of the opposition.
• Angela Rayner, deputy leader and chair of the Labour party.
• Anneliese Dodds, shadow chancellor of the exchequer.
• Lisa Nandy, shadow foreign secretary.
• Nick Thomas-Symonds, shadow home secretary.
• Rachel Reeves, shadow chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster.
• David Lammy, shadow justice secretary.
• John Healey, shadow defence secretary.
• Ed Miliband, shadow business, energy and industrial secretary.
• Emily Thornberry, shadow international trade secretary.
• Jonathan Reynolds, shadow work and pensions secretary.
• Jonathan Ashworth, shadow secretary of state for health and social care.
• Rebecca Long-Bailey, shadow education secretary.
• Jo Stevens, shadow digital, culture, media and sport.
• Bridget Philipson, shadow chief secretary to the Treasury.
• Luke Pollard, shadow environment, food and rural affairs secretary.
• Steve Reed, shadow communities and local government secretary.
• Thangam Debbonaire, shadow housing secretary.
• Jim McMahon, shadow transport secretary.
• Preet Kaur Gill, shadow international development secretary.
• Louise Haigh, shadow Northern Ireland secretary (interim while Tony Lloyd is in hospital being treated for coronavirus).
• Ian Murray, shadow Scotland secretary.
• Nia Griffith, shadow Wales secretary.
• Marsha de Cordova, shadow women and equalities secretary.
• Andy McDonald, shadow employment rights and protections secretary.
• Rosena Allin-Khan, shadow minister for mental health.
• Cat Smith, shadow minister for young people and voter engagement.
• Lord Falconer, shadow attorney general.
• Valerie Vaz, shadow leader of the house.
• Nick Brown, opposition chief whip.
• Baroness Smith, shadow leader of the Lords.
• Lord McAvoy, Lords’ Opposition chief whip.

Good lineup imo.

[Liam-]

He’s got himself a decent mix

[arista]

Thanks
Slick Reece
for posting the mega list

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Theresa May, they ALLOWED to take over from Cameron because they knew the position was ultimately doomed; if you'll cast your mind back, no one in the boy's club wanted to be PM in 2016 and it was basically handed to May like a lamb to the slaughter, for her to inevitablty fail, leave literally crying, and have someone who vocally didn't want the position in 2016 swoop in and take it once the initial Brexit flak had been absorbed. So progressive.

Thatcher wasn't even biologically human.

And all the men who have lead Labour have been exemplary.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Dawn Butler has been replaced by Marsha de Cordova!

I wonder if the BBC will notice the change

Poor Dawn.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Livia

And all the men who have lead Labour have been exemplary.

Theresa May never stood a chance, once woman but no backbone and was easily persuaded into things , Andrea Ledsom would have been a stronger leader although I'm not a fan

[user104658]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Theresa May never stood a chance, once woman but no backbone and was easily persuaded into things , Andrea Ledsom would have been a stronger leader although I'm not a fan

I think she learned in the first half of 2019 that it was a horrible mistake to take the job on. The wolves came for her.

[Father Chris Mouse]

Rebecca Long-Bailey seemed a lot more worthy candidate imo. But the 'sis white privileged rich male' prevails, naturally. Good ol' Labour!

[Oliver_W]

Why are we suddenly racially profiling people and judging them by their gender?

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Why are we suddenly racially profiling people and judging them by their gender?

Because the hard left do it all the time, so it's kinda ironic that their 'worst enemy' (sis white male) is now their new leader. But then Labour is a joke and has been for many years now.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

Because the hard left do it all the time, so it's kinda ironic that their 'worst enemy' (sis white male) is now their new leader. But then Labour is a joke and has been for many years now.

It's so weird having a cis white male leading the Labour party after Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband (Jewish, to be fair) and Jez Corbyn.

Totally unheard of.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Swan

Because the hard left do it all the time, so it's kinda ironic that their 'worst enemy' (sis white male) is now their new leader. But then Labour is a joke and has been for many years now.

The hard anything in politics are just stupid, and also a very-vocal very-minority.

[Father Chris Mouse]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's so weird having a cis white male leading the Labour party after Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband (Jewish, to be fair) and Jez Corbyn.

Totally unheard of.

Blair did well, but the later 3 where/are an absolute joke.

No one said it was unheard of, just that it's all kinda ironic.

[bots]

Starmer was the favourite to win by a mile, it's not like people weren't given a choice

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Swan

Blair did well, but the later 3 where/are an absolute joke.



No one said it was unheard of, just that it's all kinda ironic.

It's just a sad reality that white male privilege means there are a much larger number of white men in positions of power. It's not really ironic... It's built into every aspect of society.