[Oliver_W]

Sir Kier was great in PMQs. A lack of a noisy audience really shines a light on Boris' bluster.

[arista]

Jon Lansman stands down as leader of left-wing group Momentum


[The 62-year-old said the time had come
for the organisation to be led by a new
generation of activists in an article written
for the Labour List website.
"We are now a mass of dedicated activists
fighting for a better world.
And in this new era, it is time that a new generation
of leaders put their ideas into practice,"
he wrote.]

https://news.sky.com/story/jon-lansm...entum-11989640

[Oliver_W]

Sir Kier's brand of Labour is also fighting for a better world, so I'd be interested to see if Momentum's new leader will get behind him, or continue to fight for Corbynistic causes.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sir Kier's brand of Labour is also fighting for a better world, so I'd be interested to see if Momentum's new leader will get behind him, or continue to fight for Corbynistic causes.

That new person Must get behind
the Labour leader,
there is no other way.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

That new person Must get behind
the Labour leader,
there is no other way.

Not necessarily Are they even a labour supporting group? I thought they were just a left wing organisation who just happened to be supporting Labour because Corbyn was the current leader.

[user104658]

There's no appetite for Corbyn's harder, more old-fashioned socialism. It's been tested, twice, and it's just not getting the votes. If there's ever to be any hope of a UK with more upward social mobility and support for the disabled, low incomes, etc. Labour needs to embrace a more modern, sensible form of wealth redistribution. A pledge to fix UC would be a start.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's no appetite for Corbyn's harder, more old-fashioned socialism. It's been tested, twice, and it's just not getting the votes. If there's ever to be any hope of a UK with more upward social mobility and support for the disabled, low incomes, etc. Labour needs to embrace a more modern, sensible form of wealth redistribution. A pledge to fix UC would be a start.

That's not true. He was around 3000 votes short of winning in 2017 despite the media. The lies were cranked to max for the next election.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not true. He was around 3000 votes short of winning in 2017 despite the media. The lies were cranked to max for the next election.

The number of votes aren't what counts, we don't elect our PMs. It's seats that decide who becomes PM.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

The number of votes aren't what counts, we don't elect our PMs. It's seats that decide who becomes PM.

Yes and he was a couple of thousand votes short for the seats needed to win. Considering the vendetta against him he almost won.
I'm aware of how voting works thankyou.

[arista]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

The mental health situation is going to be horrendous. I honestly don't think it would be possible to over-estimate... and it's going to be a delayed effect too because people tend to hold it together for a while, and then avoid seeking help for a while longer. There's going to be a steadily increasing strain on MH and addiction services for the next few years.

[Oliver_W]

He's really effective, makes one wish he was leading the Labour party when they were against a minority government. He could have been the de facto PM!

[joeysteele]

He was in no way again my choice for leader of the Party.
Actually I'm rarely impressed by any leaders of Parties in the UK.
Apart from Nicola Sturgeon who I've admired, for her honesty and genuine compassion on the losses of elderly lives likely unnecessarily in this pandemic.

However Starmer is effective, I like how he sticks clinically to the points he makes at PMQs.
Johnson's usual clouding the water bluster cannot really surface and he always appears to be struggling to answer Starmer.

The criticisms of the handling of this pandemic may be a little premature.
This is a nightmare for any government to have had to deal with.
I'm sure no one ever hoped or wanted to have to.
I think this government set out with good intentions to deal with it.
Rishi Sunak particularly who is the Government light in this for me.

The question I want asked at the more terminal point of this pandemic however.
Is why?
When we had Hancock saying in January that we had a great test for this virus.
Why it was stated we were prepared for it.

Then after all the forewarnings of what transpired in Italy, with Italy saying it would be coming across Europe to the UK.

Why, with that forewarning in January and February, how instead of being able to avoid the holes Italy found itself in.
We ended up in those same holes and sinking deeper.

Hindsight isn't the issue here, we had all that forewarning of what was coming.

Then had the farce of the shocking protection equipment.
The scandal of those in supposed care homes, being virtually sacrificed carelessly.

The failure to protect care staff also NHS Doctors and Nurses.
Not to mention other public service workers too.

These questions need answering in the future and this is where, with his analytical and clinical style of presentation, Starmer must and I now believe can shine.
Although it's a really sad set of results to have to do so on.

Starmer wasn't my choice as I said however I like how he's performing so far definitely.

A long, really long way to go but, he could spring many surprises.
Social changes have to come in the UK.
I think people are starting to see the failures across the board on those issues.
Social care, mental health also however social justice too.
Starmer is on the right track, at least for now.

[bots]

we need an effective opposition, something we sadly lacked when Corbyn was around. Politically, labour and the tories are poles apart, so they will never agree. I just don't think we have true political heavyweights around at the moment, when we really need them. They all seem to be career politicians or completely incompetent.

[arista]

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

Good interview, he has a likeable personality and he is doing well in the polls, Labour members must be happy?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Starmer is going Live on GMBHD itv
shortly


around 7:25AM

So he should.
Hard questioning and scrutiny of politicians is a very important procedure.
Even moreso on serious issues.

I have never liked Piers Morgan, however he isn't afraid to fire important questions at anyone.

What is astounding, is no government Minister has been on that programme for 62 days.
Refusing to be questioned on their decisions which affect most or all the Nation.
That's ridiculous.

So I applaud Starmer going on this today.
Because frankly the BBC have given up on any real deep questioning of Ministers.
It's more like an old pals act with them now.

Almost like the BBC is scared of the government.
I really cannot watch BBC now.
Preferring Sky news and their interviewing.

Starmer believes he's done right, as he said that's for others to decide if they think he's doing things the right way.
However, yes absolutely right to go on ALL programmes and put your points across.
Immaterial of the questioning or who may be asking said questions

[bots]

All media has an agenda, Morgan was a complete dick when he last interviewed a government representative. He put words in her mouth and didn't give her a chance to speak. Why would they go on that programme given that?

Sky and the BBC are both dreadful in their own ways too, it becomes more and more difficult to work out what the real truth is, and I cannot abide being spoon fed an agenda whoever is ramming it down our throats

On the subject of Keir, I think he is doing a great job so far and long may it continue. It's such a refreshing change

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

All media has an agenda, Morgan was a complete dick when he last interviewed a government representative. He put words in her mouth and didn't give her a chance to speak. Why would they go on that programme given that?

Sky and the BBC are both dreadful in their own ways too, it becomes more and more difficult to work out what the real truth is, and I cannot abide being spoon fed an agenda whoever is ramming it down our throats

On the subject of Keir, I think he is doing a great job so far and long may it continue. It's such a refreshing change

I agree with this totally, I used to quite like Piers until I found out more about him and then to see the way he 'interviewed' people was horrible to watch,his sidekick isn't any better, I love the fact Piers is so annoyed the government wont go on there anymore, that was his doing,not theirs, he is insufferable and only interested in his own voice and opinons, as for what I found out about his past, well I wont even go there. It is easy to criticize when your not in the firing seat. I dont watch it anymore,would rather get my news from other sources.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Morgan was a complete dick when he last interviewed a government representative. He put words in her mouth and didn't give her a chance to speak.

That describes literally every Piers Morgan "interview" I've ever had the displeasure of watching; and the govt. were happy enough with it when he was singing from their sheet. The mistake they made was believing that he was a Tory shill, when he's actually just a blaring trombone of popularism.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That describes literally every Piers Morgan "interview" I've ever had the displeasure of watching; and the govt. were happy enough with it when he was singing from their sheet. The mistake they made was believing that he was a Tory shill, when he's actually just a blaring trombone of popularism.

Exactly, when he was doing the same to ‘corbynites’ the government and Borisbackers lapped it up, but now the Tories have complete responsibility and the show is on the other foot, they all this it’s unprofessional and nasty, it’s laughable

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That describes literally every Piers Morgan "interview" I've ever had the displeasure of watching; and the govt. were happy enough with it when he was singing from their sheet. The mistake they made was believing that he was a Tory shill, when he's actually just a blaring trombone of popularism.

So indeed were Tory supporters happy when he ripped into Labour politicians because that suited them.

They'll turn a blind eye to the wrongs of this government in this pandemic however.

All Morgan has done in his usual way is expose the deceit on protection equipment, the testing figures, the losses of lives of NHS Doctors, Nurses and staff, plus the unnecessary scandalous deaths of loved ones in Care Homes.
With facts.

That's why Tory Ministers won't go on, they don't want their deceit challenged on those things.
Neither do their supporters considering the complaints to Ofcom.
Complaints laughed at and largely glossed over when he was ripping Labour Shadow Ministers apart.

He's no different to how he's always been.
I don't like him,never have..
However having lost loved ones myself unnecessarily myself to this virus.

His campaign and exposing of the deceit of Tory Ministers, I do admire.
No wonder they want to hide away.

[joeysteele]

I don't know if you were meaning Helen Whateley there bitontheslide.
However she was a disgrace both times she was on.
She is a so called Care Minister who hadn't a clue about testing, PPE or the death rates in Care Homes.

She was either totally incompetent or being blatantly deceitful.
He was totally right to hammer her.

As he was the times he tried to get any reall truth or even basic common sense out of Hancock, the so called Health secretary.

Across the board, he is a total disgrace.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't know if you were meaning Helen Whateley there bitontheslide.
However she was a disgrace both times she was on.
She is a so called Care Minister who hadn't a clue about testing, PPE or the death rates in Care Homes.

She was either totally incompetent or being blatantly deceitful.
He was totally right to hammer her.

As he was the times he tried to get any reall truth or even basic common sense out of Hancock, the so called Health secretary.

Across the board, he is a total disgrace.

i have no problem with politicians being asked searching questions, but I would rather hear what they have to say than a demented Morgan shouting over them. I think that word fits him perfectly ... demented.

I strongly believe that the government should be held to account, but the example I saw just wasn't it

[Liam-]

Piers right now is the only one willing to ask the proper questions and not rest until he gets an answer, politicians have spent too long getting away with brushing past questions and dodging answers, It’s jarring because it’s not what we’re used to, good on him I say, they shouldn’t be allowed to just waffle and avoid scrutiny or hard questioning, they work for us ffs, we should be demanding proper answers to these questions, instead people are upset because they’re getting grilled, poor them