[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Why chose GMB, when you’ve got Tory propaganda machine BBC offering up softball questions? They go for the option that’ll give them the easiest ride, cowards

I have all three on
at same time
From 6AM
Piers is best.


And CNBCHD Live on a 4th TV screen

[The Slim Reaper]

Via Jack blanchard of politico

[Liam-]

Piers is an asshole at times, but even a broken clock is right twice a day, people don’t like him right now because he’s challenging the government and Boris, whereas a few months ago, he was the right wing poster boy, the same thing is happening to the likes of Andrew Neil, he’s been a Tory mouthpiece for years and the people who have always loved and admired him for it, are now turning on him because he dares question the choices of this government, it’s completely transparent

[user104658]

On the back of yesterday's... err... whatever that was... I have to change my vote to "bad" for this week. There's no excuse for garbled, unclear messages ESPECIALLY when it's pre-recorded! I might have been more forgiving if it was live but for it to have been recorded, watched back and released as it was... highlights that it's not just a flustered explanation of a plan, it's an unclear plan to begin with. Messy.

Caveat though; I still don't believe we would magically have far fewer deaths or a far smaller infection rate "if only the government was getting it right". It's a viral pandemic. At some point we have to accept that Big Daddy Government is no real match for nature in the long run.

[Liam-]

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine

Phil wants to be up to date.


He even started with Janet Street Porter
and Matt Wright

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Oh, so now the big gay Tory wants to be critical? A little too late sunshine

Ffffff

[arista]

May the 18th
Jury trials to start up again
Using more Live monitor links

The 12 Jury Members will have to be seperated more
for safety

SkyNewsHD Live

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

May the 18th
Jury trials to start up again
Using more Live monitor links

The 12 Jury Members will have to be seperated more
for safety

SkyNewsHD Live

M21 will get his wish to stay at home

[Babayaro.]

I would like to see why Caprimint thinks they have done a good job?

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

I would like to see why Caprimint thinks they have done a good job?

She said excellent job last time, so clearly yesterday’s message has knocked a few points off

[arista]

Yes Slim
Johnson Bad Plan
Getting more Infected

[Tom4784]

Sacrifice the vulnerable for the benefit of the rich, the tories have had enough with pretending to care about anyone who isn't at least a millonaire.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sacrifice the vulnerable for the benefit of the rich, the tories have had enough with pretending to care about anyone who isn't at least a millonaire.

That sounds Criminal

[Cherie]

In parts of Spain their restaurants and bars will open today....8 weeks after they locked down, not for everywhere but for areas of low infection

in the UK bars and restaurants may open 4 July ..15 weeks after they first locked down....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In parts of Spain their restaurants and bars will open today....8 weeks after they locked down, not for everywhere but for areas of low infection

in the UK bars and restaurants may open 4 July ..15 weeks after they first locked down....

Yes but if the Death rate keeps rising
cancel that, go back to Lockdown


Spain has good far outside seating
more than we do.

[user104658]

In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.

The problem of course is... markets. Markets are spooked by lack of confidence, and thus, telling the truth can make matters worse. What is happening right now is that world leaders know we are on the verge of a catastrophic economic crash. This isn't about prioritising the rich over the workers... ... this is about the entire system coming down in a way that is completely unprecedented. I think we are in serious, serious trouble.

But the government can't come out and say "Look guys it's not ideal but if we don't go back to work now, we're not going back to work at all, and millions of people are going to die, not of Covid-19, but because everything will start to break down".

They can't say that because it will panic the public. They can't say that because it will spook the markets and make it even worse. So what you get is "half a message" that doesn't make any sense unless you look hard between the lines.

Especially as most people simply do not and can not understand that a financial crash is just as dangerous as Covid. More dangerous by an order of magnitude if it gets bad enough. I hope we don't find out.

Essentially it's this:

Govts.: "We have to all get back to work now"
Public/Media: "Isn't it too early, isn't that dangerous?"
Govts: "Well... yes s be really careful, it absolutely is dangerous."
Public/Media: "But we still should?"
Govts: "Yes."
Public/Media: "WTF why???"
Govts: "...lol "
Public/Media: "WHY???"
Govts: "Cant tell u lol!"

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.

The problem of course is... markets. Markets are spooked by lack of confidence, and thus, telling the truth can make matters worse. What is happening right now is that world leaders know we are on the verge of a catastrophic economic crash. This isn't about prioritising the rich over the workers... ... this is about the entire system coming down in a way that is completely unprecedented. I think we are in serious, serious trouble.

But the government can't come out and say "Look guys it's not ideal but if we don't go back to work now, we're not going back to work at all, and millions of people are going to die, not of Covid-19, but because everything will start to break down".

They can't say that because it will panic the public. They can't say that because it will spook the markets and make it even worse. So what you get is "half a message" that doesn't make any sense unless you look hard between the lines.

Especially as most people simply do not and can not understand that a financial crash is just as dangerous as Covid. More dangerous by an order of magnitude if it gets bad enough. I hope we don't find out.

Essentially it's this:

Govts.: "We have to all get back to work now"
Public/Media: "Isn't it too early, isn't that dangerous?"
Govts: "Well... yes s be really careful, it absolutely is dangerous."
Public/Media: "But we still should?"
Govts: "Yes."
Public/Media: "WTF why???"
Govts: "...lol "
Public/Media: "WHY???"
Govts: "Cant tell u lol!"

That makes pretty scary reading TS

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That makes pretty scary reading TS

It is scary, and I think even people who do understand why it's scary sort of want to ignore it for the time being - an attitude of "well OK but let's get Covid out of the way and THEN we'll worry about the aftermath". I'm worried that it's going to be far, far too late. People in the western world have been living in a relatively pretty bubble for 70+ years and think that our standard of living can't really, dramatically change. People are perhaps imagining a bit of a recession like 2008. Some service cuts that are frustrating, some wage freezing, etc.

That is not what we're looking at right now. If 2008's global recession was a roll down a bumpy hill, this is going to be a cliff-dive with no parachute. It's the ugly elephant in the room that no one wants to look at because of the Covid gremlin in the other corner.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is scary, and I think even people who do understand why it's scary sort of want to ignore it for the time being - an attitude of "well OK but let's get Covid out of the way and THEN we'll worry about the aftermath". I'm worried that it's going to be far, far too late. People in the western world have been living in a relatively pretty bubble for 70+ years and think that our standard of living can't really, dramatically change. People are perhaps imagining a bit of a recession like 2008. Some service cuts that are frustrating, some wage freezing, etc.

That is not what we're looking at right now. If 2008's global recession was a roll down a bumpy hill, this is going to be a cliff-dive with no parachute. It's the ugly elephant in the room that no one wants to look at because of the Covid gremlin in the other corner.

There is never going to be a good time to go back out into the world, and the longer it is left the more fearful people will get and the more jobs will be lost, governments really are stuck between a rock and a hard place

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is scary, and I think even people who do understand why it's scary sort of want to ignore it for the time being - an attitude of "well OK but let's get Covid out of the way and THEN we'll worry about the aftermath". I'm worried that it's going to be far, far too late. People in the western world have been living in a relatively pretty bubble for 70+ years and think that our standard of living can't really, dramatically change. People are perhaps imagining a bit of a recession like 2008. Some service cuts that are frustrating, some wage freezing, etc.

That is not what we're looking at right now. If 2008's global recession was a roll down a bumpy hill, this is going to be a cliff-dive with no parachute. It's the ugly elephant in the room that no one wants to look at because of the Covid gremlin in the other corner.

it is the simple realities of life i'm sorry to say, we need to get back to work (i've never stopped although i work from home)

The worlds economies are ****ed, we all need to generate income or we cannot pay for the NHS or any other public services at all.

A grim reality will also become apparent as people return to work, and that is that jobs won't be there. We are in the first 2 months of an "incident" that has the potential to affect us all for 20 years. While in lockdown, it's been like a suspended animation, it will all now spring back to reality.

I really do hope that I am being overly pessimistic and that by having a relatively short timeout, the economy can bounce back quickly ... we will see, but I do know one thing that is certain, we need to get back to living and working as normally as we can as quickly as we can, otherwise when the next wave hits, there won't be any NHS to protect and there won't be a lockdown, because people will need to work to survive.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it is the simple realities of life i'm sorry to say, we need to get back to work (i've never stopped although i work from home)

The worlds economies are ****ed, we all need to generate income or we cannot pay for the NHS or any other public services at all.

A grim reality will also become apparent as people return to work, and that is that jobs won't be there. We are in the first 2 months of an "incident" that has the potential to affect us all for 20 years. While in lockdown, it's been like a suspended animation, it will all now spring back to reality.

I really do hope that I am being overly pessimistic and that by having a relatively short timeout, the economy can bounce back quickly ... we will see, but I do know one thing that is certain, we need to get back to living and working as normally as we can as quickly as we can, otherwise when the next wave hits, there won't be any NHS to protect and there won't be a lockdown, because people will need to work to survive.

yes of course, i guess the government's job there for workers is provide face masks, make sure you can work whilst still holding yourself to the 2 metres social distancing rule (for construction workers mostly there seems to be this problem)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it is the simple realities of life i'm sorry to say, we need to get back to work (i've never stopped although i work from home)

The worlds economies are ****ed, we all need to generate income or we cannot pay for the NHS or any other public services at all.

A grim reality will also become apparent as people return to work, and that is that jobs won't be there. We are in the first 2 months of an "incident" that has the potential to affect us all for 20 years. While in lockdown, it's been like a suspended animation, it will all now spring back to reality.

I really do hope that I am being overly pessimistic and that by having a relatively short timeout, the economy can bounce back quickly ... we will see, but I do know one thing that is certain, we need to get back to living and working as normally as we can as quickly as we can, otherwise when the next wave hits, there won't be any NHS to protect and there won't be a lockdown, because people will need to work to survive.

I think at the very least we're going to see a seismic shift; service industries, physical retain and leisure are absolutely ****ed. Online retail and certain other industries have a chance to thrive. But of course, the problem is that these behemoth companies employ relatively few people and pay next to no tax.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

In all honesty I think they're panicking but I don't think this is just a UK issue right now; most of Europe is going back to work and, in terms of the spread, far too early. It's not just too early for the UK, it's too early for every country that's aiming to get back to work.

The problem of course is... markets. Markets are spooked by lack of confidence, and thus, telling the truth can make matters worse. What is happening right now is that world leaders know we are on the verge of a catastrophic economic crash. This isn't about prioritising the rich over the workers... ... this is about the entire system coming down in a way that is completely unprecedented. I think we are in serious, serious trouble.

But the government can't come out and say "Look guys it's not ideal but if we don't go back to work now, we're not going back to work at all, and millions of people are going to die, not of Covid-19, but because everything will start to break down".

They can't say that because it will panic the public. They can't say that because it will spook the markets and make it even worse. So what you get is "half a message" that doesn't make any sense unless you look hard between the lines.

Especially as most people simply do not and can not understand that a financial crash is just as dangerous as Covid. More dangerous by an order of magnitude if it gets bad enough. I hope we don't find out.

Essentially it's this:

Govts.: "We have to all get back to work now"
Public/Media: "Isn't it too early, isn't that dangerous?"
Govts: "Well... yes s be really careful, it absolutely is dangerous."
Public/Media: "But we still should?"
Govts: "Yes."
Public/Media: "WTF why???"
Govts: "...lol "
Public/Media: "WHY???"
Govts: "Cant tell u lol!"

We shouldn't be expected to best guess, we deserve the truth. We can handle the truth as shown with the response to the truth bomb delivered prior to lockdown. What's the point in keeping things from us now?

Explain why certain sectors need to return and assure govt will put pressure on employers to ensure their workers are given adequate protection or protective measures.
It is here the fines need to be issued, if employers are found not to be complying with social distancing or protecting their workers fine them!

From personal experience my company who operate for a major supermarket distribution centre have given us over the period covid has been a threat precisely nothing, no ppe, no gels, no soap nothing. The supermarket over the last month have supplied us with wipes and the company who oversee the operation of the warehouse put in gel dispensers and flexible plastic screens 3 weeks ago.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

We shouldn't be expected to best guess, we deserve the truth. We can handle the truth as shown with the response to the truth bomb delivered prior to lockdown. What's the point in keeping things from us now?

Explain why certain sectors need to return and assure govt will put pressure on employers to ensure their workers are given adequate protection or protective measures.
It is here the fines need to be issued, if employers are found not to be complying with social distancing or protecting their workers fine them!

From personal experience my company who operate for a major supermarket distribution centre have given us over the period covid has been a threat precisely nothing, no ppe, no gels, no soap nothing. The supermarket over the last month have supplied us with wipes and the company who oversee the operation of the warehouse put in gel dispensers and flexible plastic screens 3 weeks ago.

I agree in principle about the honesty, but the government admitting that the economy is in big trouble would cause stocks to crash. The entire financial system set up as the UK standard by good ol' Ms Thatcher relies entirely on trader confidence, and the sad reality is, we sold everything off so the UK economy now relies heavily on London trading.

What really needs to happen though is at least being more open about it, but hand in hand with confident statements about how we're going to make it work and keep business going, which would hopefully remedy some of the market fears. As always strong, confident leadership is absolutely key and that's why Boris' Sunday video was an absolute disaster. Like basically the worst of both worlds! Confusing for the public AND alarming for the markets, because it was all over the place. Full of ifs, buts and maybes. A great big "shrug" of a statement.