[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

no, i'm just comparing different people marching, and all the excuses being dreamed up are extraordinary

Such as?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You're comparing racial justice with white nationalism. Couldn't be me.

What "racial justices" they think are missing can be achieved by marching in military gear?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What "racial justices" they think are missing can be achieved by marching in military gear?

Military gear is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What "racial justices" they think are missing can be achieved by marching in military gear?

They "think" are missing?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Military gear is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence.

Okay, same question but "combat gear" ?

[Nicky91]

because they are at war against the white elite

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Okay, same question but "combat gear" ?

Defensive gear

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

because they are at war against the white elite

okay Nicky

Originally Posted by Liam-

Defensive gear

They wouldn't need defensive gear if they weren't marching

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

They wouldn't need defensive gear if they weren't marching

But they were marching and wanted to protect themselves while they did so

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

okay Nicky


They wouldn't need defensive gear if they weren't marching

sorry for the extreme comment, but it is partially true, they are at a ''war'' against white privilege, corruption in law & justice system who protect evil cops

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Liam-

But they were marching and wanted to protect themselves while they did so

How many have been injured in previous marches?

[Cherry Christmas]

I would put them in the same category as the Americans who stand around in camouflage gear

[Christmas Dynasnow]

terrible night of VIOLENCE in LOndon

shocking lawless murder death

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a4514216.html

Five men were shot in the space of seven hours as London was rocked by another night of bloodshed.

The latest violence saw gun attacks in Hackney, Brixton and Croydon

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

terrible night of VIOLENCE in LOndon

shocking lawless murder death

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crim...-a4514216.html

Five men were shot in the space of seven hours as London was rocked by another night of bloodshed.

The latest violence saw gun attacks in Hackney, Brixton and Croydon

Is this linked to the thread in some way?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If people turn their backs on the cause because of the visual of a group of black people organising and coming together, because of what they’re wearing, then frankly, they never really truly backed the cause and they’re part of the problem imo

Maybe but honestly it's a matter of pragmatism vs idealism. What is arguably "morally right" and the way things SHOULD be is not the same as the steps that need to be taken to secure real, meaningful change. The only way to secure meaningful change is to engage with - even manipulate, if needs be - the majority "everyman" mindset and those mindsets are easily frightened away by "too much" moral passion or displays of really any sort of fired-up emotion. Anger, frustration, etc. are all valid but they won't secure meaningful change. The righteous path isn't the path that secures results, because the people who hold power don't give a **** what's right, only what's popular or benefits them directly. It's a hard pill to swallow but I think everyone has to at some point. There's a reason idealism fades with age... and it's mostly repeated realisations that things that seem to be "going somewhere" inevitably lose steam when they become emboldened, because they start losing mainstream support.

You don't really have to believe me, I guess. It'll become self-evident in time. These images are "too much" for the majority audience and so it doesn't actually matter what the intent is, in terms of the outcome.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Maybe but honestly it's a matter of pragmatism vs idealism. What is arguably "morally right" and the way things SHOULD be is not the same as the steps that need to be taken to secure real, meaningful change. The only way to secure meaningful change is to engage with - even manipulate, if needs be - the majority "everyman" mindset and those mindsets are easily frightened away by "too much" moral passion or displays of really any sort of fired-up emotion. Anger, frustration, etc. are all valid but they won't secure meaningful change. The righteous path isn't the path that secures results, because the people who hold power don't give a **** what's right, only what's popular or benefits them directly. It's a hard pill to swallow but I think everyone has to at some point. There's a reason idealism fades with age... and it's mostly repeated realisations that things that seem to be "going somewhere" inevitably lose steam when they become emboldened, because they start losing mainstream support.

You don't really have to believe me, I guess. It'll become self-evident in time. These images are "too much" for the majority audience and so it doesn't actually matter what the intent is, in terms of the outcome.

That's a very English lower middle class opinion. Nothing was ever changed in recent modern history by writing a stern letter or handing in a petition.
Even in the burbs if you want to be listened to and taken seriously you have to galvanise and organise.
This is what they are doing, if the net twitchers are scared by the sight of these protests then they need educating not placating.
Your ' go with the flow' mindset is not working. There's a reason idealism fades with age... that is because people like you stop speaking up for others and concentrate on work, bills and raising the next generation of plebs. (not calling your brats plebs btw) you are so stressed, tired and busy you don't have the time or energy to care about anyone outside your inner circle.
Meanwhile those who are not being treated equal go on not being treated equal. Whether you still care or not.

[Ammi]

....the chants were ‘we are family forever’, very peaceful/non hostile chants...and their march was part of the march that happens every year to mark the Abolishment of Slavery act...it’s only this year that these things are getting more recognition/media coverage because of the BLM current highlighting racism, inequality and injustice etc...I mean, this is the wrong way..?...and black pound day was the wrong way, it was unnecessary etc, we don’t need to support local black businesses...is there ever going to be a ‘right way’ ...anyways, I don’t agree that it’s the wrong way, the march was peaceful...and it’s only a small section from what I can see personally...*cough* Nigel Farage, the DM etc...who will use very divisive terms and words like ‘stab vests’, ‘terrifying’, ‘divide our country like never before’ etc...obviously the EU referendum didn’t divide enough, did it, Nigel...for the most part I think people are entirely supportive and don’t feel any anger/frustration coming from anything, they just feel a coming together in the name of ‘equal’..there was an advertisement on mainstream TV last night, supporting BLM...that’s change, that’s something I’d never seen before, I do believe this is all for the most part still very positive...and the only support that was/is lost is support that was never there in the beginning because it doesn’t want equality and never did...and that is the whole issue...

[Kizzy]

Well said Ammi!

[bots]

Public perception is everything, and this sort of stuff does nothing for maintaining or increasing public support. People wont be told what to find acceptable.

[Ammi]

...*cough, Brexit*...52% of people were told the EU wasn’t acceptable, don’t ya know.....obviously that didn’t divide, we all just had to accept that it wasn’t acceptable...but we don’t have to and won’t accept that this strive for equality isn’t acceptable...


....I’m confusing myself, but yeah...people ‘will be told’ when they’re open to be told and they ‘won’t be told’ when they’re closed to be told and that’s the truth of it...and sadly some are closed to equality because they personally have it...

[Ammi]

...a great song......

Youtube video

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...*cough, Brexit*...52% of people were told the EU wasn’t acceptable, don’t ya know.....obviously that didn’t divide, we all just had to accept that it wasn’t acceptable...but we don’t have to and won’t accept that this strive for equality isn’t acceptable...


....I’m confusing myself, but yeah...people ‘will be told’ when they’re open to be told and they ‘won’t be told’ when they’re closed to be told and that’s the truth of it...and sadly some are closed to equality because they personally have it...

There was a pretty even split for and against the EU from before we even joined. It never really changed. It was only ever a few % points in either direction

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There was a pretty even split for and against the EU from before we even joined. It never really changed. It was only ever a few % points in either direction

...it was already a ‘this country divide’ that Mr Farage not only supported fully but was very much a part of because in the Book of Farage, the EU wasn’t giving us a fair and equal deal...but when people march for a fair and equal deal, the Book of Farage says NO......he’s so divisive and sadly, some buy into it...but then that’s because of a disposition to do so, I would say...and equally, those who support equality/BLM...won’t be turned away either because that’s their disposition...

[Ammi]

...or what the lovely Liam said 97 pages back.....

[Christmas Dynasnow]

How dare we use democracy and ask people what they think

Are we really criticising public voting now ??