[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and right on cue, I was just coming in to post Slim will be along in a minute to make a jolly jape about me or Niamh's involvement and we will laugh it off

Dripping with your anti-English agenda

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Denver

And also if anyone looked into the Quran it is actually against this sort of behaviour

Anyone seeking support for armed jihad in the name of Allah will find
ample support in the passages in the Quran and Hadith that relate to
Mohammed�s Medina period. For example, Q4:95 states, �Allah hath granted
a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons
than to those who sit (at home).� Q8:60 advises Muslims �to strike terror into
(the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides,
whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.� Finally, Q9:29
instructs Muslims: �Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the
Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued.�

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/09...islamic-state/

[Denver]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Anyone seeking support for armed jihad in the name of Allah will find
ample support in the passages in the Quran and Hadith that relate to
Mohammed�s Medina period. For example, Q4:95 states, �Allah hath granted
a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons
than to those who sit (at home).� Q8:60 advises Muslims �to strike terror into
(the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides,
whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.� Finally, Q9:29
instructs Muslims: �Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the
Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves
subdued.�

https://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/09...islamic-state/

[2:190] �You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you but do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors.�

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Denver

And also if anyone looked into the Quran it is actually against this sort of behaviour

It is. That's why muslim people can't be brought into it because a large majority of them in France (and worldwide) are so shocked by it.
But some people (aka far right people) like to say all muslims are like that, when really they are not.
There's indeed a difference between being offended by a cartoon, and going out there to kill people for it and/or because they believe the Sharia law should be applicable everywhere.
We stand with our muslim brothers and sisters who are under so much attacks due to people's assimilation of them to those terrorists.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

It is. That's why muslim people can't be brought into it because a large majority of them in France (and worldwide) are so shocked by it.
But some people (aka far right people) like to say all muslims are like that, when really they are not.
There's indeed a difference between being offended by a cartoon, and going out there to kill people for it and/or because they believe the Sharia law should be applicable everywhere.
We stand with our muslim brothers and sisters who are under so much attacks due to people's assimilation of them to those terrorists.

...yeah, this is exactly it, Remy...none of these actions are in the name of Muslim...they’re in the name of hate only...we stand together with the Muslim community against this hate and terror...

[bots]

it's about time ordinary muslims took back their religion then and called out the terrorists. So far, the silence is deafening and plenty of muslim counties have supported it with their ban on french goods. People like to say its only a few bad apples, but this is entire countries boycotting the french for allowing free speech

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's about time ordinary muslims took back their religion then and called out the terrorists. So far, the silence is deafening and plenty of muslim counties have supported it with their ban on french goods. People like to say its only a few bad apples, but this is entire countries boycotting the french for allowing free speech

This is a bit of a myth. The world is full of Muslim leaders, just as the world is full of christian leaders. The Muslim council of Britain came out today strongly against these attacks, and in defence of the innocents.

[UserSince2005]

Murdered inside the church, these people are sick. These people make it about religion.
How dare someone behead innocent people whilst they attend church.
Islam is a disease.
France needs to be stay strong and take the steps necessary to end this humiliation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is quite a lot of support in the Muslim community for this type of action

see below

Suicide bombings
In a 2006 Pew poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified

In Europe
(35 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(24 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in the UK believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 15% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(13 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(27 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
In mainly Muslim countries
(53 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 28% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(26 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 17% thought it could be justified often or sometimes
(57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 29% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(69 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 46% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(22 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(28 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim...m#cite_note-30

YOu would hope that 14 years later this has changed

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is quite a lot of support in the Muslim community for this type of action

see below

Suicide bombings
In a 2006 Pew poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified

In Europe
(35 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(24 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in the UK believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 15% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(13 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(27 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
In mainly Muslim countries
(53 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 28% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(26 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 17% thought it could be justified often or sometimes
(57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 29% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(69 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 46% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(22 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(28 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim...m#cite_note-30

YOu would hope that 14 years later this has changed

From the same link, right under the stuff you copied and pasted in here

A 2014 Pew poll showed that support for suicide bombings had fallen to a great degree in Muslim-majority nations over the last decade:[53]

(46 vs 45) In Lebanon, 45% it could never justified, 25% rarely and 29% said often/sometimes.
(59 vs 38) In Egypt, 38% said it could never be justified, 35% rarely while 24% said often/sometimes.
(29 vs 58) In Turkey, 58% said never, 11% rarely while 18% said often/sometimes.
(44 vs 55) In Jordan, 55% said never, 29% rarely while 15% said often/sometimes.
(8 vs 90) In Tunisia, 90% said never, 3% rarely while 5% said often/sometimes.
(61 vs 33) In Bangladesh, 33% said never, 14% rarely and 47% said often/sometimes.
(33 vs 60) In Malaysia, 60% said never, 15% rarely and 18% often/sometimes.
(22 vs 76) In Indonesia, 76% said never, 13% rarely and 9% often/sometimes.
(7 vs 83) In Pakistan, 83% said never, 4% rarely and 3% often/sometimes.
(34 vs 60) In Nigeria, 60% said never, 15% rarely and 19% often/sometimes.
(31 vs 56) In Senegal, 56% said never, 16% rarely and 15% often/sometimes.
In mostly non-Muslim nations:

(45 vs 50) In Tanzania, 50% said never, 19% said rarely and 26% said often/sometimes.
(46 vs 48) In Israel, 48% said never, 30% rarely and 16% said often/sometimes.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

From the same link, right under the stuff you copied and pasted in here

A 2014 Pew poll showed that support for suicide bombings had fallen to a great degree in Muslim-majority nations over the last decade:[53]

(46 vs 45) In Lebanon, 45% it could never justified, 25% rarely and 29% said often/sometimes.
(59 vs 38) In Egypt, 38% said it could never be justified, 35% rarely while 24% said often/sometimes.
(29 vs 58) In Turkey, 58% said never, 11% rarely while 18% said often/sometimes.
(44 vs 55) In Jordan, 55% said never, 29% rarely while 15% said often/sometimes.
(8 vs 90) In Tunisia, 90% said never, 3% rarely while 5% said often/sometimes.
(61 vs 33) In Bangladesh, 33% said never, 14% rarely and 47% said often/sometimes.
(33 vs 60) In Malaysia, 60% said never, 15% rarely and 18% often/sometimes.
(22 vs 76) In Indonesia, 76% said never, 13% rarely and 9% often/sometimes.
(7 vs 83) In Pakistan, 83% said never, 4% rarely and 3% often/sometimes.
(34 vs 60) In Nigeria, 60% said never, 15% rarely and 19% often/sometimes.
(31 vs 56) In Senegal, 56% said never, 16% rarely and 15% often/sometimes.
In mostly non-Muslim nations:

(45 vs 50) In Tanzania, 50% said never, 19% said rarely and 26% said often/sometimes.
(46 vs 48) In Israel, 48% said never, 30% rarely and 16% said often/sometimes.

the average from the list above who said they support terror often sometimes is 19%


the number of Muslims in the world is 1.7 BILLION (1,703,146,000)

19% of that is 323,597,740

That is 323 MILLION Muslims who support terror, thats a lot!

That is more than the whole population of the USA

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the average from the list above who said they support terror often sometimes is 19%


the number of Muslims in the world is 1.7 BILLION (1,703,146,000)

19% of that is 323,597,740

That is 323 MILLION Muslims who support terror, thats a lot!

That is more than the whole population of the USA

Well no, not really. Unless you ask every single one of them, then it's not accurate. This is the old Sam Harris argument of extrapolation. You also said you'd hoped it had changed in 14 years, and just a slight glance further down the page would have shown you it had and was still continuing to do so.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Well no, not really. Unless you ask every single one of them, then it's not accurate. This is the old Sam Harris argument of extrapolation. You also said you'd hoped it had changed in 14 years, and just a slight glance further down the page would have shown you it had and was still continuing to do so.

the numbers are huge and its a big concern going forward. Salmon Rushdie back in the day and FF to today and its a flipping Cartoon???

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

There is quite a lot of support in the Muslim community for this type of action

see below

Suicide bombings
In a 2006 Pew poll in response to a question on whether suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets to defend Islam could be justified

In Europe
(35 vs 64) 64% of Muslims in France believed it could never be justified, 19% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(24 vs 70) 70% of Muslims in the UK believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 15% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(13 vs 83) 83% of Muslims in Germany believed it could never be justified, 6% believed it could be justified rarely, 7% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(27 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Spain believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 16% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
In mainly Muslim countries
(53 vs 45) 45% of Muslims in Egypt believed it could never be justified, 25% believed it could be justified rarely, 28% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(26 vs 61) 61% of Muslims in Turkey believed it could never be justified, 9% believed it could be justified rarely, 17% thought it could be justified often or sometimes
(57 vs 43) 43% of Muslims in Jordan believed it could never be justified, 28% believed it could be justified rarely, 29% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(69 vs 28) 28% of Muslims in Nigeria believed it could never be justified, 23% believed it could be justified rarely, 46% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(22 vs 69) 69% of Muslims in Pakistan believed it could never be justified, 8% believed it could be justified rarely, 14% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.
(28 vs 71) 71% of Muslims in Indonesia believed it could never be justified, 18% believed it could be justified rarely, 10% thought it could be justified often or sometimes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim...m#cite_note-30

YOu would hope that 14 years later this has changed

tbh majorities of those Muslims in either europe, or mainly muslim countries say it can never be justified which is good

the smaller percentages are probably those who are at point of being radicalised or are already radicalised

[UserSince2005]

The rat they caught needs to be executed.

[arista]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

The rat they caught needs to be executed.

This time
once the Terrorist is out of Hospital
they can find out, other sleeper cells

[bots]

Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt, Kuwait, Turkey and Iran have all banned french goods ... Pretty sizeable population in that group

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt, Kuwait, Turkey and Iran have all banned french goods ... Pretty sizeable population in that group

I work in a shipping company and we discussed it this morning during a meeting. These countries still let French goods go through their borders, so they're already paid. Some supermarkets don't put them on the shelves, but it doesn't go beyond that. And their commercial balance isn't in their favor. And because EU leaders stand with Macron, the repercussions might be bad for them and not so much for us.
Also in France right now, the hot topic is French muslim people agreeing with the ban but still getting money from the French government such as welfare etc That one they're not banning of course.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

I work in a shipping company and we discussed it this morning during a meeting. These countries still let French goods go through their borders, so they're already paid. Some supermarkets don't put them on the shelves, but it doesn't go beyond that. And their commercial balance isn't in their favor. And because EU leaders stand with Macron, the repercussions might be bad for them and not so much for us.
Also in France right now, the hot topic is French muslim people agreeing with the ban but still getting money from the French government such as welfare etc That one they're not banning of course.

what sort of percentage of French Muslims agree with the ban would you estimate?

[Ammi]

India comes out in support of Macron after 'unacceptable personal attacks' over Muhammad cartoons...


India has issued a statement in support of France’s President Emmanuel Macron, who is under fire from Arab countries following his statements about the controversial display of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

India’s foreign affairs ministry said that it “strongly deplores the personal attacks in unacceptable language” on Mr Macron and that they are “in violation of the most basic standards of international discourse.”

“We also condemn the brutal terrorist attack that took the life of a French teacher in a gruesome manner that has shocked the world,” said the statement.

...full article..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/india-come...105920810.html

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

India comes out in support of Macron after 'unacceptable personal attacks' over Muhammad cartoons...


India has issued a statement in support of France�€™s President Emmanuel Macron, who is under fire from Arab countries following his statements about the controversial display of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

India�€™s foreign affairs ministry said that it �€œstrongly deplores the personal attacks in unacceptable language�€� on Mr Macron and that they are �€œin violation of the most basic standards of international discourse.�€�

�€œWe also condemn the brutal terrorist attack that took the life of a French teacher in a gruesome manner that has shocked the world,�€� said the statement.

...full article..

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/india-come...105920810.html

India is a fascist country at the moment, doing to Muslims what Nazi's did to Jews.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what sort of percentage of French Muslims agree with the ban would you estimate?

It's complicated isn't it, because you mostly see these kinds of comments on news or social media. And racial/religion statistics are forbidden in France, so really you can't make any polls on it. Again, exaggerated news and social media beef between politics, nothing new really.

[arista]

Macron has arrived in Nice
with his Armed body guards

[Kazanne]

I dont care what colour ,creed or religion he is to murder people while they are worshipping,an 85 year old priest and beheading a woman is wrong in any way shape or form, I hope he survives and slowly rots in prison,he is pond life we dont need

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I dont care what colour ,creed or religion he is to murder people while they are worshipping,an 85 year old priest and beheading a woman is wrong in any way shape or form, I hope he survives and slowly rots in prison,he is pond life we dont need

I hate these stories because they get worse and worse the more information comes to light.

Absolutely disgusted.