[Denver]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But it's sexual attraction which refers to sex not gender therefore wouldn't bi sexual cover that considering there are only 2 sexes?

There is more then 2 genders to be sexually attracted tk and the clue is in the word to how many genders bi people like

[Christmas Dynasnow]

i have officially retired, thankfully

Id rather watch a good film

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i have officially retired, thankfully

Id rather watch a good film

Or babestaion.x

[Candy Annie Cane]

Oliver, what does it matter to you what other people refer to themselves as? In the not too distant past people who referred to themselves as gay as you do, were mocked and derided. Civilisation has moved on and embraces gay people much more freely now....so why are you so adverse to allowing another minority to identify as pansexual?

[thesheriff443]

I was born straight but I would do a good looking lesbian

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I was born straight but I would do a good looking lesbian

Then you would be still straight, lesbians are women...but if she chose to sleep with you she would not be a lesbian she would be bi.

I'm a 'none of your God damn business' far to much of this over sharing going on. I remember when your sexuality was like your politics, strictly private.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then you would be still straight, lesbians are women...but if she chose to sleep with you she would not be a lesbian she would be bi.

I'm a 'none of your God damn business' far to much of this over sharing going on. I remember when your sexuality was like your politics, strictly private.

Kizzy I was joking.

[Jake.]

I just... don’t get why you’d care other than to be purposely difficult

Why does it matter to you what people choose to identify as? What is it that makes it invalid? You saying so?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I just... don’t get why you’d care other than to be purposely difficult

Why does it matter to you what people choose to identify as? What is it that makes it invalid? You saying so?

It doesn't matter to me, but it's still not valid. Not due to my say-so, but because there are only two sexes that someone can be attracted to. A man who identifies as nonbinary is going to attract people who like men.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It doesn't matter to me, but it's still not valid. Not due to my say-so, but because there are only two sexes that someone can be attracted to. A man who identifies as nonbinary is going to attract people who like men.

"It's still not valid" according TO YOU.

Again, all we read here is intolerance and an opinion, not a fact.
What they feel is valid, who they are is valid. I really can't see in what name you think you can say what other people are and feel is valid or not.

Again, their sexuality is not harming anyone so just love people for who they are and you'll be alright.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It doesn't matter to me, but it's still not valid. Not due to my say-so, but because there are only two sexes that someone can be attracted to. A man who identifies as nonbinary is going to attract people who like men.

Why are you pretending to be the spokesperson for who other people find sexually attractive? Not every trans person goes through life looking like their sex assigned at birth.

No matter how much you want to be right, you're not.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Why are you pretending to be the spokesperson for who other people find sexually attractive? Not every trans person goes through life looking like their sex assigned at birth.

No matter how much you want to be right, you're not.

Sex isn't assigned, you can't assign a biological reality. A transwoman will always be male, no matter what surgery she has.

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sex isn't assigned, you can't assign a biological reality. A transwoman will always be male, no matter what surgery she has.

This is transphobic baiting at this point and I have no idea why mods on here allow it. I guess they share similar views?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Sex isn't assigned, you can't assign a biological reality. A transwoman will always be male, no matter what surgery she has.

That's not an argument anybody made?

You were discussing how people LOOK and how ATTRACTIVE others may or may not find them. Now you're changing the goalposts and making yourself look silly.

[Jack_]

I only date women* but a mouth is a mouth

*never say never I guess. Can’t see it though

[LemonJam]

Gay, but have dabbled with pussoir after a few drinks

[Jake.]

Tbh all this thread has done is made me want a hug

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Tbh all this thread has done is made me want a hug

Love buzz hug

[Black Dagger]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Tbh all this thread has done is made me want a hug

We love you <3

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Love buzz hug

Originally Posted by Black Dagger

We love you <3

[Parmy]

Well this thread got rather moist since I last participated.

[Parmy]

Me and Morgan are both pigs btw.

[Ammi]

...hugs are such an intimate connection and not awkward at all to feel that relationship with someone...the trust in ‘sexual’ is such a huge thing and I think in talking and sharing as you guys are, you’ll see how ‘not awkward’ it actually is to not feel that’s part of a relationship you feel comfortable with...

[Vicky.]

Well for me, I don't feel comfortable deleting people who say 'sex is a real thing, and is unchangeable'. Especially when apparently everyone agrees sex and gender are very different things? So people remain their sex, but change 'gender'. Honestly, 'sex assigned at birth' gives me images of a sinister sorting hat that is brought into the delivery room and babies are just decided on nothing, that this one is male, this one female, etc. Sex is noted. In some rare cases of intersex people this can be mistaken, but its not this totally random thing that is 'wrong' so often that some like to make out it is.

Though that will surprise noone, coming from me.

I actually find it odd that apparently, its now deemed transphobic to say sex and gender are different, that was the 'mainline' view for years and years until the last few months it seems, the view that transactivists said was 'the right one'. Basically my view is, oliver is correct in that sex cannot be changed. BUT, people can be whichever gender they chose/are.

Others can disagree, and will.

(Anticipating 'but transphobia is against the rules' responses, this is entirely true. However, saying sex is a real thing isn't transphobic. Repeatedly purposely referring to a transwoman member as he, or a transman member as she, would be deemed transphobic. Saying you believe sex is real and not some arbitrary assigned process, should not be deemed transphobic, and surely, should be able to be argued against by those who disagree, rather than hidden)

(Ontop of all this, I am aware that many still use gender to actually mean sex, which complicates things further. But generally speaking, its been accepted for a while among transactivists and such anyway, aswell as 'the enemy' radical feminists, that sex and gender are different.)

[Calderyon]

Robosex.