[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...the Queen isn’t inferring that anyone is ‘lying’, we all know that there are many truths and that they often vary...no one is going to stand up and say...’yes, I’m racist...that would be me, hello there...’...’recollections may vary’ is a version of no comment...

I personally think “recollections may vary” may in this case be a reference to, for one, context (she’s suggesting that it wasn’t meant the way they’ve taken it) and for two... should be taken with the view that she probably was not there herself during this conversation. She’s heard what Harry has said and has asked the accused family member what was said and they’ve given a different version. So she can say “recollections vary” i.e. she has heard different accounts of what was said, but she wasn’t there so isn’t necessarily calling either a liar, just pointing out that she doesn’t know first hand.

[arista]

[joeysteele]

He did active service, it's incredible his integrity of wanting to be like any other doing so is now being questioned.
I wonder would Prince William if he's so furious at things Prince Harry has decided to do now, would be cheering this character assassination of his Brother's efforts in Afghanistan.

We didn't know he was there until the media broke it, then there was uproar as to his safety.
Because really for terrorists there or elsewhere, thinking they could get a Royal as hostage, would be like all their Christmases coming at once.

On the front line in the military there are no spare parts or hangers on.
He would have to do as much as he was ordered to and the others had to.

If people think the military operate different to that, then they are very sadly mistaken.
Especially so, in an occupied Country scenario.
That was a considered war zone.
Not a peace time scenario.

I had 3 Brothers who all served in the Forces, RAF and the Army, they insist, NO ONE gets any free rides.

How this threads gone from Prince William being rightly upset at a decision his Brother has made, to further questioning the level of Prince Harry's duties on the front line, by now dismissing his contributions there in his time there, is really bad in my view.

I don't believe their rift is as deep as the toxic media would have us believe.
However too, looking at both sides, I'd guess Prince Harry is rightly upset that his Brother, didn't support him and his wife more when they were struggling.

However again, I'd bet easily that Prince William would be much more than furious, at his Brother's service in the armed forces being questioned and dismissively diminished.
Prince William wouldn't in my view be a good Brother if he was to even think of supporting that.

My guess is that on some issues, both will be pretty upset with each other.
Which time will heal or maybe just ease a little.

They have different choices they've made for their lives and family now.
Neither decision is a crime however.
Not at all.
So good luck to both families from me.

[bots]

the concept of william being furious over such a trivial set of circumstances is absurd. Surely people realise this

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the concept of William being furious over such a trivial set of circumstances is absurd. Surely people realise this

This is true as well - it's a bit of a family rift/squabble... the sort you get in ANY family and the sort the Royals have had many times before. Kings have abdicated, senior Royals have left the country, this stuff happens. I still think in the long run Harry and William's personal relationship will be fine.

[Ammi]

...yeah, I’m totally with that also...hell hath no fury like a tabloid trying to run a hero/villain story...such media created ‘fumes’ trying to rival The Crown in the ratings warzzz....

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is true as well - it's a bit of a family rift/squabble... the sort you get in ANY family and the sort the Royals have had many times before. Kings have abdicated, senior Royals have left the country, this stuff happens. I still think in the long run Harry and William's personal relationship will be fine.

Most families don't have members who give interviews watched by millions of people and accuse that high - profile family of cruelty and racism among other personal details. Just a squabble? I think not.

[jet]

....and she very slyly in one sentence tied in the issues of titles and security for Archie as well as the skin colour accusation to make people think they were all due to racism, when they absolutely were not. She is either thick or she thought her fawning audience would be.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jet

....and she very slyly in one sentence tied in the issues of titles and security for Archie as well as the skin colour accusation to make people think they were all due to racism, when they absolutely were not. She is either thick or she thought her fawning audience would be.

Lying about what the interview contained is futile. People actually watched it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by jet

Most families don't have members who give interviews watched by millions of people and accuse that high - profile family of cruelty and racism among other personal details. Just a squabble? I think not.

They did not "profile the family of cruelty" they specifically made it very clear that they were talking about "The Institution"/Royal management when they were talking about that side of things. MULTIPLE times they clarified that. I think you'll need to watch the interview again - if you ever actually sat though it - perhaps you didn't, which would explain why you keep making false claims about the content.

Plenty of families will happily air their dirty laundry with all the personal details all around their town/community for people to hear, though. The Royals are used to being in the spotlight of millions so it's not really all that different... it IS just a squabble... the only reason it's big news is because they're so high profile. If your next door neighbour started banging on about how their grandson and his wife had moved abroad because they didn't want to be part of the family business any more, and had made comments about their family being mixed race, and some talk about being cut off/money or whatever... would you be interested? I mean I like gossip but ... snooze? It's just basic family dramas that you hear every day, then you look out the window at Christmas and lo and behold there they are piling out of the car.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They did not "profile the family of cruelty" they specifically made it very clear that they were talking about "The Institution"/Royal management when they were talking about that side of things. MULTIPLE times they clarified that. I think you'll need to watch the interview again - if you ever actually sat though it - perhaps you didn't, which would explain why you keep making false claims about the content.

The Queen is the boss of that institution and very much aware of everything that goes on in it. The management answer to her. If they criticize it, they criticize her.
The Queen took away their patronages, the Queen told them they could no longer carry out engagements on her behalf, the Queen forbade them from using their HRH titles. They are furious and bitter and they are damning the institution of which she is the head because they haven't the balls to criticize her directly.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Plenty of families will happily air their dirty laundry with all the personal details all around their town/community for people to hear, though. The Royals are used to being in the spotlight of millions so it's not really all that different... it IS just a squabble... the only reason it's big news is because they're so high profile. If your next door neighbour started banging on about how their grandson and his wife had moved abroad because they didn't want to be part of the family business any more, and had made comments about their family being mixed race, and some talk about being cut off/money or whatever... would you be interested? I mean I like gossip but ... snooze? It's just basic family dramas that you hear every day, then you look out the window at Christmas and lo and behold there they are piling out of the car.

Well we are all talking about it, including you, even though you apparently find it snooze...

[Marsh.]

You are not the expert on other people's experiences with mental health issues. No matter how much you value your own importance. Take your sick comments elsewhere. I'm not interested.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You are not the expert on other people's experiences with mental health issues. No matter how much you value your own importance. Take your sick comments elsewhere. I'm not interested.

I’m not interested what you think so take yourself off

[Marsh.]

Oh well that's alright then. If it's the "same" remarks repeated and they're not inventing new ones then it's not racism.

Racism is measured on the creativity of the racist, obviously.

[Ammi]

...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

100%

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...I think as well that any ‘higher ground’ stance in terms of racism/racist comments etc directed at Meghan and her heritage from within the Royal establishment should have been stated then in defence of her against the media...that was their time to speak of their abhorrence and intolerance to racial prejudice to one of their own’, surely...

Yes I think at the very least, it's impossible to argue that the Palace didn't have a "far too muted" response when the first questionable stories started cropping up in the press. As Meghan said in the interview, they basically told her that she didn't have to speak up for herself because she would be protected and that would be done officially on her behalf... and then it clearly just wasn't. We know for a fact that it wasn't... barely anything official came from within the Royal camp when the dodgy headlines started. The "Never Complain" part of the status quo, I suppose. But nonetheless they made false promises there.

[jet]

There was a very firm statement indeed from the Palace regarding the racism, through Harry, her fiancee. It was said at the time he was so angry he wanted to tackle it head on himself. Nothing is put out without the Queens consent when working royals.

[DouglasS]

I hope those claimed to have been bullied by Meghan and if true, that they are doing okay and that their mental health is also discussed as well as Meghans.

My friends neighbour met her as a Suits meet and greet and said she wasn’t that warm, in comparison to other co stars anyway

[jet]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

I hope those claimed to have been bullied by Meghan and if true, that they are doing okay and that their mental health is also discussed as well as Meghans.

My friends neighbour met her as a Suits meet and greet and said she wasn’t that warm, in comparison to other co stars anyway

When the accusations of Meghan's bullying came out and how the women were still traumatized, for some it was all 'Huh, what timing to bring this out now'!
They didn't give a hoot about those women.

Yet when Meghan says she suffered, even if the thing you didn't believe was that she was refused help, it was "You don't believe her! You are stopping other people from seeking help by your attitude!'
The hypocrisy and false 'caring' is laughable.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jet

When the accusations of Meghan's bullying came out and how the women were still traumatized, for some it was all 'Huh, what timing to bring this out now'!
They didn't give a hoot about those women.

Yet when Meghan says she suffered, even if the thing you didn't believe was that she was refused help, it was "You don't believe her! You are stopping other people from seeking help by your attitude!'
The hypocrisy and false 'caring' is laughable.

You are so right Jet....not ONE person gave them any sympathy on their mental health.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You are so right Jet....not ONE person gave them any sympathy on their mental health.

Completely overlooking the fact that they reported it and it was brushed under the carpet, not by Harry and Meghan but by the people who they complained to and who were responsible for dealing with it... do you not think those people have some responsibility for it being so "traumatic"?

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Completely overlooking the fact that they reported it and it was brushed under the carpet, not by Harry and Meghan but by the people who they complained to and who were responsible for dealing with it... do you not think those people have some responsibility for it being so "traumatic"?

Exactly the point I made. I was very sympathetic to the ladies actually, it doesn't fit the current narrative but I said the Palace had failed in their duty of care to their employees which includes their mental health.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Completely overlooking the fact that they reported it and it was brushed under the carpet, not by Harry and Meghan but by the people who they complained to and who were responsible for dealing with it... do you not think those people have some responsibility for it being so "traumatic"?

I agree they should have dealt with it...they brushed it under the carpet it seems to avoid putting Meghan in a bad light.
The point was that the righteous people on here that think its despicable to doubt Meghans mental health showed no sympathy for Meghans accusers and focused more on the 'timing' of the complaint.