[user104658]

Originally Posted by Denver

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub

Both are obvious absolutely gross and immoral but yes I see your point.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Denver

People don't actually care about the mental aspect of this, thousands and thousands of businesses have been closed for 16 months and owners are hemorrhaging money, this is a massive thing for their mental health and financial aspects.

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub

what? how are those two even comparable, have they started selling alcohol in Primark and since when did Primark create an atmosphere where you are shouting at your companions in order to be heard and releasing inhibitions

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I always find it weird when we use money as an argument to avoid doing the right thing. This government will waste infinite money when it comes to test and trace to throw money into serco, or to make sure their donors are getting rich from the pandemic, but expect that money to go to the folks that need it, and suddenly we pretend there isn't any.

Spot on.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Denver

People don't actually care about the mental aspect of this, thousands and thousands of businesses have been closed for 16 months and owners are hemorrhaging money, this is a massive thing for their mental health and financial aspects.

If people can queue up for hours at Primark then people can go to a nightclub

That's not true. Around 150k of us have died from the virus alone. We're not a million miles away from achieving vaccinated herd immunity, so the decision to just fcuk it now, is basically an experiment of evolution using the most vulnerable as guinea pigs, and it's the "I'll be alright so screw everyone else" posse that is displaying true selfishness.

The decision to not help those businesses and the citizens financially, is a choice, but the fact that we're opening everything up whilst already suffering the worst numbers in the world, is true myopic selfishness.

[Tom4784]

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[Denver]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's not true. Around 150k of us have died from the virus alone. We're not a million miles away from achieving vaccinated herd immunity, so the decision to just fcuk it now, is basically an experiment of evolution using the most vulnerable as guinea pigs, and it's the "I'll be alright so screw everyone else" posse that is displaying true selfishness.

The decision to not help those businesses and the citizens financially, is a choice, but the fact that we're opening everything up whilst already suffering the worst numbers in the world, is true myopic selfishness.

All the people at most risk have been vaccinated and most people under 30 have had at least one vaccination.

Let's just also clear up that vaccination are not there to stop Covid it is there to stop hospitalisation and server threats from Covid

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Denver

All the people at most risk have been vaccinated and most people under 30 have had at least one vaccination.

Let's just also clear up that vaccination are not there to stop Covid it is there to stop hospitalisation and server threats from Covid

We still have no idea about long covid, though. Chris Witty himself, said that the new rules could make hospital admission numbers "scary," as they are currently doubling every 3 weeks before today.

We have no idea how the virus will mutate and reproduce, but we're giving it the best possible opportunity to get much worse.

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.newscientist.com/article...#ixzz714k7vA4i

Covid-19 news: England unlocking is ‘unethical’, say 1200 scientists

[user104658]

Really it's just a long-delayed version of what Boris wanted to do back in Spring 2020. Hardly a shock.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

GMBHD itv

Showed a Boss of a Nottingham nightclub
he said Free masks for any that wanted them?

But he just wanted the Money to come in
and keep his club alive

Never mind about Fast Covid spreading

I don't like to agree with you but you are right on this occasion

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Really it's just a long-delayed version of what Boris wanted to do back in Spring 2020. Hardly a shock.

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

I also agree that the financial reasonings aren't particularly sound - the government could be helping out business owners to a much larger extent than they are. Mental health is a bit of a trickier question... the situation is a mess but I don't know that there is a "right" answer there. None of the options are good ones.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also agree that the financial reasonings aren't particularly sound - the government could be helping out business owners to a much larger extent than they are. Mental health is a bit of a trickier question... the situation is a mess but I don't know that there is a "right" answer there. None of the options are good ones.

Absolutely, but mental health can be a long and complicated road back to a feeling of normality, not solved because they can throw some shapes to dance hits of the 90's, sardined into a human petri dish.

I'd imagine the MH side of covid has been eased as restrictions have been lifted, but can just as quickly be set backwards if the death numbers start rising, and we start going back into full lockdowns.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Absolutely, but mental health can be a long and complicated road back to a feeling of normality, not solved because they can throw some shapes to dance hits of the 90's, sardined into a human petri dish.

I'd imagine the MH side of covid has been eased as restrictions have been lifted, but can just as quickly be set backwards if the death numbers start rising, and we start going back into full lockdowns.

Well yes and the promises of "never going back" being inevitably snatched away will make things worse rather than better. They have to give people hope, but it has to be realistic expectations that aren't going to be offered then snatched back. A surefire way of making people feel hopeless.

Christmas for example was a catastrophe; people making plans, getting excited, then having to cancel them at the last minute.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you can't defend your point, then you don't have one.

nonsense

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I don't disagree, but having it suggested that we want to ruin peoples financial situations and mental health because we disagree with Boris and Sajid, and agree with the scientists, is pretty weird.

….I think it’s also pretty wrong because many of those who have genuine concerns now based on medical concerns, have worked and put themselves at risk thorough this, they absolutely know the mental strain…it can’t really be seen anything other than an experimental type thing, if we don’t do it now then when will we…?…surely when the medical minds are more confident than they are now…?…

[Cherie]

By September it will be mandatory to be vaccinated to enter Clubs

[Strictly Jake]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well yes and the promises of "never going back" being inevitably snatched away will make things worse rather than better. They have to give people hope, but it has to be realistic expectations that aren't going to be offered then snatched back. A surefire way of making people feel hopeless.

Christmas for example was a catastrophe; people making plans, getting excited, then having to cancel them at the last minute.

That was horrendous

[Beso]

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...d.php?t=376818

[Tom4784]

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