[bots]

parliament dates back centuries, so the fundamental constructs were formulated by men. A framework designed by men, for men. It's not difficult to understand that the only way to change that is to come up with a new framework that is not inherently biased

[Cherie]

The response is woeful.....

Priti has no answer to illegal mainly men crossing the channel, but women and children fleeing war and trying to come the legal routes...nah...bear in mind all of these people will have family members here already

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's a 50,000 word post right there Oliver, it would essentially be impossible to go into. All I can really say is, with enough study of sociology, politics and history it becomes impossible to ignore that the very roots of "democracy", and really all politics, stretching back until the dawn of any sort of written record keeping, is unquestionably paternalistic, misogynistic and classist (and in my opinion the class system itself, and certainly the entire system of free market capitalism, is rooted in male instinct if you follow the thread far enough).

Not to be ironically classist about it but... It's not really something that it's possible to go into without vast amounts of background reading.

Once you see it though it becomes painfully obvious.

Parliament now is different to parliament then. Everyone who's in parliament is there because they stood, and were elected.

Maybe in some ways the world needs to wake up to the fact there are two genders and they both matter ... But when it comes to standing for election and actually voting, everyone is equal.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The response is woeful.....

Priti has no answer to illegal mainly men crossing the channel, but women and children fleeing war and trying to come the legal routes...nah...bear in mind all of these people will have family members here already

Yeah it's bonkers innit, priorities totally screwed. She's unwilling to do anything to abate the migrant crisis largely consisting of fighting age men, but the refugees - mostly women and children as Ukraine's men are trying to defend their country - are getting bound in red tape?

[The Slim Reaper]

The problem with Priti Patel is that she's not tough enough on asylum seekers?

This is not a normal country.

[glib]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Parliament is misogynistic by default so I think it's fine to call parliament misogynistic. It's just a statement of fact.

Can you explain why then, it’s misogynistic, rather than just shrug it off?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The problem with Priti Patel is that she's not tough enough on asylum seekers?

This is not a normal country.

The point is she says we have to have checks to protect the UK but she has still not managed to do that with the channel crossers, she lets them in...she needs to do the same with the women and children...checking can be done in this side as it is with the channel crossers

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The point is she says we have to have checks to protect the UK but she has still not managed to do that with the channel crossers, she lets them in...she needs to do the same with the women and children...checking can be done in this side as it is with the channel crossers

What would you like her to do with the channel crossers, that, under international law, are within their rights to arrive in a country and claim asylum?

I mean, she was looking at creating sonic boom machines to capsize them or send them back into the waves at one stage, and she's tried making rescuing them punishable with a sentence.

We did the least when in the EU, now we're trying to do even less, so what do you think is the silver bullet she's missing?

If you hate having refugees arrive here, maybe campaign against selling the bombs to countries that create a constant supply of refugees to begin with. Also a solid climate change policy, because as the planet continues to heat up, more and more people will be displaced.

[glib]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

parliament dates back centuries, so the fundamental constructs were formulated by men. A framework designed by men, for men. It's not difficult to understand that the only way to change that is to come up with a new framework that is not inherently biased

So you’re using the ‘centuries old’ argument

the monarch controlled Parliament, who was in it etc in the 1800s, , so can you explain why Victoria never intervened if it was so misogynistic , in fact she presided over the extension of the reform act giving most males right to vote sometime in the 1860s or 1870s
She was 17 years too late actually for even a nod at female reform

The only female positive thing Victoria did I think was the bedchamber crisis, which was early on in her reign anyway

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What would you like her to do with the channel crossers, that, under international law, are within their rights to arrive in a country and claim asylum?

I mean, she was looking at creating sonic boom machines to capsize them or send them back into the waves at one stage, and she's tried making rescuing them punishable with a sentence.

We did the least when in the EU, now we're trying to do even less, so what do you think is the silver bullet she's missing?

If you hate having refugees arrive here, maybe campaign against selling the bombs to countries that create a constant supply of refugees to begin with. Also a solid climate change policy, because as the planet continues to heat up, more and more people will be displaced.

I don't hate anything about anything, just pointing out the inconsistencies of her approach

I have always said we should be giving refuge to the most vulnerable, you can check my post history if you care to

[glib]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The point is she says we have to have checks to protect the UK but she has still not managed to do that with the channel crossers, she lets them in...she needs to do the same with the women and children...checking can be done in this side as it is with the channel crossers

It’s not as simple at that,

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't hate anything about anything, just pointing out the inconsistencies of her approach

I have always said we should be giving refuge to the most vulnerable, you can check my post history if you care to

Her approach has been nothing but consistent, but I'm sorry it's still not consistent enough for you.

When the most vulnerable have been as consistently demonised by our media and politicians, then it's natural that acceptance of which kind of people fall into that category, isn't necessarily in line with the truth.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Parliament now is different to parliament then. Everyone who's in parliament is there because they stood, and were elected.



Maybe in some ways the world needs to wake up to the fact there are two genders and they both matter ... But when it comes to standing for election and actually voting, everyone is equal.

It's nowhere near that simple, even if parliament was 50/50 men and women it would still be built on millenia of patriarchal power structures.

Something to consider, I suppose: Margaret Thatcher was by far - by FAR - a bigger representative of patriarchal power than John Major.

If you can understand that and understand why, that's a decent starting point.

[Cherie]

We could all be refugees soon except there will be no where to run to the way things are panning out

[Cherie]

Think I have closed the thread now I have turned into Zizu ...even my cup half full attitude is faltering

[bots]

Chizu rises from the ashes like a phoenix

[glib]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Think I have closed the thread now I have turned into Zizu ...even my cup half full attitude is faltering

Niamh will determine when it’s closed, although she seems to enjoy watching drama unfold

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Think I have closed the thread now I have turned into Zizu ...even my cup half full attitude is faltering

It is a bit dramatic Cherie, Russia have struggled more than they thought to even take Ukraine, there's literally zero chance of them staging an effective invasion of Europe let alone the UK (the hardest part of Europe to invade).

Unless you're talking about nukes but we're obviously nowhere near that sort of worry yet. The important thing to remember on that front is that despite what the tabloids say... Putin is not insane. Power hungry and without conscience, maybe, but he hasn't "gone mad", its a completely false narrative.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Chizu rises from the ashes like a phoenix

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is a bit dramatic Cherie, Russia have struggled more than they thought to even take Ukraine, there's literally zero chance of them staging an effective invasion of Europe let alone the UK (the hardest part of Europe to invade).

Unless you're talking about nukes but we're obviously nowhere near that sort of worry yet. The important thing to remember on that front is that despite what the tabloids say... Putin is not insane. Power hungry and without conscience, maybe, but he hasn't "gone mad", its a completely false narrative.

I don't think he is mad either or ill, but he has seen how a virus can bring Western economies to their knees, who is to say he wont release one of those

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's a 50,000 word post right there Oliver, it would essentially be impossible to go into. All I can really say is, with enough study of sociology, politics and history it becomes impossible to ignore that the very roots of "democracy", and really all politics, stretching back until the dawn of any sort of written record keeping, is unquestionably paternalistic, misogynistic and classist (and in my opinion the class system itself, and certainly the entire system of free market capitalism, is rooted in male instinct if you follow the thread far enough).

Not to be ironically classist about it but... It's not really something that it's possible to go into without vast amounts of background reading.

Once you see it though it becomes painfully obvious.

Youtube video

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is a bit dramatic Cherie, Russia have struggled more than they thought to even take Ukraine, there's literally zero chance of them staging an effective invasion of Europe let alone the UK (the hardest part of Europe to invade).

Unless you're talking about nukes but we're obviously nowhere near that sort of worry yet. The important thing to remember on that front is that despite what the tabloids say... Putin is not insane. Power hungry and without conscience, maybe, but he hasn't "gone mad", its a completely false narrative.

unfortunately, i rate your position as somewhat optimistic. Nukes and other devastating ordinance could easily come into play from russia. Nukes are not the only catastrophic weapons they have available

[glib]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It is a bit dramatic Cherie, Russia have struggled more than they thought to even take Ukraine, there's literally zero chance of them staging an effective invasion of Europe let alone the UK (the hardest part of Europe to invade).

Unless you're talking about nukes but we're obviously nowhere near that sort of worry yet. The important thing to remember on that front is that despite what the tabloids say... Putin is not insane. Power hungry and without conscience, maybe, but he hasn't "gone mad", its a completely false narrative.

Putin isn’t power hungry but has invaded Ukraine to get power over Crimea? Right

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

unfortunately, i rate your position as somewhat optimistic. Nukes and other devastating ordinance could easily come into play from russia. Nukes are not the only catastrophic weapons they have available

The point is that using them on the UK or any EU country would essentially be a Russian murder-suicide of the entire planet. He can't survive it and Russia can't survive it, so the only scenarios where he does it, are ones where he has nothing left to lose OR if he was indeed insane.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by glib

Putin isn’t power hungry but has invaded Ukraine to get power over Crimea? Right

Read it again I think you missed a full stop.